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Apr 19, 2013 3:00am PDT
. pete williams reports they later car-jacked a suv near the mit campus and keeping the car's owner at gun point and releasing the person unharmed later. >> police followed that car to watertown as is in lockdown right now. the suspects at that point threw explosive devices from their car. at some point during the standoff, they had at least one pressure cooker bomb similar to the ones used in the marathon bombing. one suspect killed in the shoot-out. the one in the black hat. he reportedly then was run over and when police approached his body, they discovered an ied strapped to his chest. witnesses reporting hearing explosions, massive gun battle between the suspects and police. here is what adam kitzenberg told us not long ago. >> i went to the window and right outside of our apartment, there were two shooters in between a sedan and a black mercedes-benz suv. and they were in between these two cars taking cover behind the black suv, shooting down our street which is laurel street and they were shooting westward towards what looked to be about six -- six to ten watertown police dep
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Apr 19, 2013 4:00am PDT
harmless. let's get to nbc's justice correspondent pete williams who has the latest on the suspects and the investigation. pete, good morning again to you. >> reporter: good morning, savann savannah. we've been told the names of these told. we're told that they're brothers. they've been in the united states for at least a year. one of them was living in the cambridge area. we're told that the man with the white hat, the one on the left, the one who is still at large, the one who is the reason for all of this police activity and this extraordinary lockdown in boston and the suburbs is 19 year old tsarnaev. he has a massachusetts driver's license. is a resident of cambridge. we don't know the first name of his brother. they obviously came here many months ago, at least a year ago. the other thing is it bears repeating, savannah, that all this started thursday night not because the fbi was moving into arrest them. there was no tactical operation planned. five hours after the fbi showed their pictures. they were not about to arrest them. five hours after the pictures became public, they
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Apr 19, 2013 2:00am PDT
this location. i saw them bring in a city bus here. i initially wondered why they were bringing that city bus in here, in case they needed to put up another one of those blast shields. but it's now parked itself in a different location. mara. >> all right. kerry sanders, thank you. it is now top of the hour, 5:00 eastern time. some six hours since this story began to unfold with a shooting on the campus of m.i.t. i want to bring in now nbc news justice correspondent pete williams, who's been in touch with his law enforcement sources on this story all night. pete, what can you tell us? >> well, i guess there's several things we're trying to nail down. i guess the big question here now is who are they? we've heard from a couple of officials that they don't have a positive identification on them, but they've been tentatively identified. they believe, at least it's the initial assessment of the two law enforcement people i've talked to, that they came to the u.s. about a year ago. we don't know precisely from where. they may have some -- a bit of military experience overseas, which could possibly explain their facility with explosives. and that is our operating assumption right now. it appears that this all started when they tried to rob a 7-eleven tonight. a policeman responded. they killed the policeman. that set off all this whole chain of events to the carjacking, to the point that one of them stopped the car in watertown, massachusetts. the other got out with an improvised bomb strapped to his chest. he was shot and killed. the second one, the one with the white hat, got away and is still at large. >> and pete, we've heard -- we know that one officer was killed overnight. that was the m.i.t. campus police officer. we've heard a transit officer has also been critically injured. do we know anything more about his condition? what are you hearing about that? >> no, i think we don't know anything about his condition. we've heard conflicting reports about it, so we don't know one way or the other. >> all right. pete williams live in d.c. we should note, we've been covering this story all night, since it started at 11:00 at night. we were uncertain throughout the night whether any of these events were linked. it started with reports of a shooting at m.i.t. then it turned to the violence that was taking place at watertown. then while all of this was taking place, we were hearing reports of a carjacking. we were hearing reports of a robbery at a 7-eleven. we didn't know if any of this was related. we didn't know if any of this was related to the boston marathon bombing. throughout the night, we've been trying to ascertain what was what. we wanted to make sure we were very responsible in our reporting and not jump to any conclusions that we didn't have evidence to support. at this time, here's what we can now reasonably conclude. law enforcement officials believe that this all began last night when those two suspects in the boston marathon bombing, the men they released photos of on thursday, those two men you're seeing on the screen, tried to rob a 7-eleven last night. now, at some point, they came into contact with that m.i.t. police officer who officials say was responding to reports of a disturbance. he was shot. he was killed. they carjacked a man and tried to make a getaway. police pursued them. they ended up in watertown. that's where that gunfight broke out. there was a massive exchange of gunfire between these two men. i want to listen to that video quickly. [ gunfire ] >> there's explosions and gunfire going on down the street. >> this is video of that gunfight between those two suspects and police. during the course of that gunfight, they also threw explosives at officers. i want to bring in a man who had a front-row seat to all of this. he was watching it from his apartment window. that window overlooks the street where all of this was taking place. andrew, can you tell us some detail on what you saw last night? >> yeah, so i was actually in my living room at the time. it was about 12:45, 12:50. i heard a couple gunshots, or what i thought were gunshots. so i went to the window cautiously and peeked over. i saw two shooters in between a sedan and a black mercedes benz suv. they were taking cover behind the suv, shooting down my block. they were shooting about 70 to 80 yards down the street at officers. it was about six or so, maybe a few more, watertown police department vehicles. there were two shooters. while they were engaging in fire, for at least three or four minutes, they were also using explosives. and they had -- they were throwing explosives at the officers, what seemingly could have been grenades. i could feel those shocks and those explosions right outside and feel them coming into our apartment. after a couple of those explosions, they actually utilized another explosive device, which was much larger. from my window and my vantage point, i could see this device pretty closely, which looked similar to a pressure cooker bomb, which i've seen pictures of in the past week. so i actually saw them from about 35, 40 feet away in my bedroom window. they lit it and also threw it towards the officers. it did not come too close to the officers, but it did create a significant explosion and significant smoke that basically covered our entire street. really, used at what was seemingly a decoy. at that point, one of the shooters ran towards the officers, continuing to fire. and as he ran forward, continuing to shoot at them, he went down. i did not see clearly whether he went down by force and being tackled or if he was shot. i didn't see that clearly. but he went down. while that happened, the second shooter got back into the black mercedes-benz suv and turned it around and basically floored it right at the watertown police vehicles. at that point, he was going full speed and went right in between two or three vehicles, sideswiping them, taking out their doors and their windows. ultimately, he did get through those vehicles, but i didn't see after that what had happened. >> andrew, i should note we're showing some of the photos you took. you took a number of photos as this was happening. you provided an amazing account of this entire thing, and you posted them on your twitter account, which is @akit. thank you so much for that account. i want to go now live to lester holt, who is on the ground in watertown, massachusetts. lester? >> reporter: well, mara, they're considering even locking down watertown while this suspect is still on the loose. behind me is the area they've roped off. inside, s.w.a.t. teams are methodically moving through the air yre area. number of concerns here. suspect number two, the suspect with the white hat. those photographs released by the fbi yesterday. there he is. he's a man on the loose, still believed to be armed and having engaged in the shootout with police here earlier this morning. the other concern is unexploded devices that were tossed from the vehicle, securing those. so for that reason, they have asked people to stay indoors. they said if anybody comes to their door, knocks on their door, don't answer but to call 911. the police chief said right now this is a public safety emergency. they're very concerned about the safety of the people in this community while this active investigation, this active search is under way for this very dangerous suspect. back at the scene, they continue to try to render and check out all the objects there to render them safe, making sure that all unexploded devices that may be there have been rendered safe. so very, very tense situation here. we saw a number of folks out in the street earlier. most seem to have gone back to their homes, heeding the advice of authorities here at what is still a very, very dangerous situation unfolding here. mara? >> lester, do you get the sense that law enforcement believes this suspect is still in the watertown area? or do they believe he may have fled to one of the surrounding areas? >> reporter: well, i think they're working on the theory he's still inside this perime r perimeter. that said, when we got to this location a couple hours ago, we did see a number of police cars leaving the scene, leaving this area. they may be extending to an even wider area. right now, they seem to be concentrating their search inside this area behind us. >> all right. lester holt live in watertown. we should note that nbc news' kerry sanders reported a short time ago that officers there in watertown on the ground seemed to be on very high alert. kerry seems to believe, in fact, that officers are thinking that the suspect is still in that area. if you're just joining us, i want to bring you up to speed on a significant number of developments that have taken place overnight related to the boston marathon bombing case. one of the suspects in that case is dead. one of the suspects remains at large. the suspect that is at large is the one that has been referred to as suspect number two in the photos that were released yesterday. he's the one that is shown wearing the white baseball hat. you can see him there on the right on your screen. this man remains at large, and officials are saying that he's armed and dangerous. they are advising the public to use extreme caution as they wake up this morning and proceed with their days. one of the officers saying, quote, we believe this to be a terrorist. we believe this to be a man who has come to kill people. very clear, very stark language about the threat faced to the public by this man. again, this is the one referred to as suspect number two. he remains at large. this all began last night around 10:00 at night. it started with a robbery at 7-eleven. officials say these two men, the two suspects in the boston bombing case, tried to rob a 7-eleven. there was also around that time an m.i.t. campus police officer in cambridge who was responding to reports of a disturbance, presumably something related to this robbery. during his response to that disturbance, he was shot and killed. those two suspects then carjacked a man and tried to make a getaway, but police pursued them. they ended up in watertown where they exchanged in fire fight. a hail of gunfire was exchanged between those two suspects and police in the area. we have home video of that shootout. let's listen. it's powerful. [ gunfire ] >> there's explosions and gunfire going on down the street. [ rapid gunfire ] >> after an evening, several hours of unbelievable developments early this morning, police held a press conference where they briefed the public and the press on the latest in this developing case. let's take a listen. >> the pursuit went into a residential neighborhood not far from here, where there was an exchange of gunfire between watertown police, nbta police officer, and two suspects in suv. during the course of that pursuit, several explosive devices were discharged from the car at the police officers. in the exchange of the gunfire, we believe that one of the suspects was struck and ultimately taken into custody. a second suspect was able to flee from that car, and there is an active search going on at this point in time. an mbta police officer was struck during that exchange of gunfire and is currently at the auburn hospital in critical condition. there is an active search by tactical teams from nemlec and the boston police department. the watertown police department are involved in this search as well as traffic diversion throughout the area. the most important message that we are doing right now is for public safety and the safety of those people in that neighborhood. we are asking everyone to shelter in place for the time being, not to leave their homes. if they see something suspicious, other than a police officer coming to their door, they should call 911 immediately. we also want to forewarn motorists traveling through this particular area. even though we're locked down in this neighborhood, they should not stop for anyone and pick up anyone along the side of the roadway. what we're looking for right now is a suspect consistent with the description of suspect number two, the white-capped individual, who was involved in monday's bombing of the boston marathon. we have a picture, a video from the 7-eleven in cambridge last night that he is dressed in a gray hoodie-type sweatshirt. he's a light caucasian male with longer brown curly hair. you've seen the picture. you all have it. that's the individual we're looking for at this moment. >> that's suspect number two? >> that's suspect number two, the white-capped individual. >> suspect number one was shot then? >> that's correct. >> so suspect number one was the one the fbi -- >> i just want to be clear, we'll do regular updates to this. right now, we're in a public safety mode here. our immediate concern is for those people in the neighborhood up there. we have an active search going on by tactical teams to locate and apprehend this particular individual. he should be considered armed and dangerous and is a threat to anybody that might approach him. so please, use extreme caution and stay in your homes. if you hear something, if you see something unusual, we'd like you to call 911. >> and in addition to that armed and dangerous suspect on the loose, police are saying that there may be unexploded devices in and around watertown. so they are considering the possibility of locking down that entire area. i want to bring in now nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. pete, we're hearing a little bit more about who these people may be, that they may have recently come to the country. >> yeah, a little more i think is the operant term here. they're still waiting to positively identify them. these are not individuals that had wallets with their driver's licenses in them. so this is taking a while. but they believe that these two men came to the u.s. about a year ago and may have some overseas military experience. we're not positive where they came from. we don't have positive identification on them. i will say this, though. there's been a lot of speculation both on our facilities and elsewhere that one of these men, one of these suspects is a student that went missing from brown university in march. i'm told by several officials that that's not the case. that this is not one of those people. so let's just put that to rest too. i've heard other people talking about that tonight on our facilities and speculating about it. i'm told that is not the case. we don't have the names of the two. they're trying now to get those and say something more about that. it is interesting that one of the boston authorities at that local news conference did say that one of these men came here to kill people. so we've heard from several authorities, both privately and publicly, saying that they believe these are people who recently came to the u.s., perhaps within the past year. >> and pete, your sources have been very instructive in helping us piece together the narrative, as i've mentioned, overnight. for the last seven hours, all of this has been taking place. we had no clue if any of it was related or it was just a coincidence all this criminal activity was happening around the same time. can you piece together the narrative of what happened last night based on what your sources are telling you? >> well, one of the interesting things here is this did not start because these people were -- that the fbi was about to arrest them or anyone was moving in on them. they instead apparently panicked five hours after the fbi showed their pictures. at a nationally televised news conference identifying them as the two people responsible for the boston marathon bombing. in the city of cambridge, massachusetts, which is just about four miles from boston, they shot a campus police officer in the head who was sitting in his police cruiser. they then tried to rob a 7-eleven. after that, they carjacked a man who was in a black suv. they started driving, held him at gunpoint, eventually released that man. by now, the police are chasing them to watertown, massachusetts, which is another, say, four miles away from cambridge. so now we're eight miles from boston. and they get into a shootout with police. the car stops. one of the men, the men who was identified by the fbi as wearing the black hat at the news conference on thursday, the black hatted man who was seen in all the pictures at the bombing, the left of your screen there, he, authorities say, got out of the suv with explosives strapped to his chest. he was shot and killed by police. the other man, the white-hatted individual, drove on, eventually abandoned the car, and now they're searching for him. >> all right. pete williams live in washington for us. thanks so much for that information, pete. we'll check back in with you soon. i want to go now to michael isikoff, who's live in watertown, who's also been working his sources to find out the very latest on the story. michael, what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, we believe that these individuals have international connections, that they're foreign nationals. they were here legally. we don't, at this point, know what their motive or what their cause is. we do have some more additional details about what transpired tonight. this began with a robbery at a 7-eleven in cambridge. in the course of that, an m.i.t. police officer was shot and killed in the head. at that point, there's a carjacking of this mercedes suv that pete williams was referring to. the victim of that carjacking was kept in the car with the two suspects for about half an hour as they drove and were -- a police chase ensued. those explosive devices were discharged. one of the suspects is now dead. the other is the man in the white baseball cap, the bomber, the suspected bomber. >> michael, sorry to cut you off, but i have to interrupt you because we want to go live now to a press conference at bette israel hospital. let's take a listen. >> my name is dr. kevin tab. i'm the ceo at the medical center. as dr. wolf said, we did receive this patient and were ready to receive as many casualties as we would need to be ready for. we currently have about 20 patients in the e.d., completely unrelated to this incident. we still do have 12 victims from the initial event hospitalized here at the hospital. one of them still in serious condition in the icu. we initially received 24 patients here from the original event on monday. the vast majority of those patients have been discharged. we are open and ready for any patients to come to the medical center this morning. although, we are restricting access to ensure safety for our patients, families, and visitors and asking people to show patience as they come in this morning. >> was that patient brought in under police guard tonight? >> that patient was brought in with police guard, yes. >> can you describe the injuries to the patient? >> i cannot. we do want to make available the physician that initially heard the events in watertown. >> so my name is dr. schonfeld. last night as i was doing some work at home and watching the news coverage of the officer involved shooting at m.i.t., i was sitting at home and able to hear the sounds of gunshots and explosions because i live in watertown. when i started hearing the gunshots and explosions, i recognized that something was really wrong and called the emergency department to let them know and then quickly got dressed to come into work and rushed over to the emergency department. >> how quickly did you get here? >> i arrived in the emergency department before the patient arrived. >> what time did you hear the gunshots? >> sometime after about 12:45. >> doctor, can you give us the name of the deceased? they're not releasing that? >> no. >> we don't have any information on the identity of the deceased patient. >> do you have an age? >> we don't have that information. >> can you give us a gender? >> it's an adult male. >> doctor, could you describe your feelings of being in watertown, hearing the noise, and you alert the e.r. you come into work and you end up seeing that same patient. that's sort of, i guess, a sad irony. >> so there's a couple of different parts to it. one, when i started hearing the gunshots and the explosions, given what had happened over at m.i.t. and seeing the police cars rushing into watertown past my house and hearing all the sirens, i knew or felt very strongly that this was related to the events from earlier this week as well week. i knew that warranted calling the emergency department and coming in. the emotions you sort of set aside when you come into go to work and do the job. >> did you actually work on the patient who had been shot and is deceased? >> so, i really don't want to talk about that. >> oh, okay. i was going to say, no one knew going into it. as a doctor, how do you deal with that? >> you give the best care you can to every patient that comes to you regardless of what may or may not be. you don't know what happened out there. you don't know who they are. you don't know what the circumstances are. so whether it was, you know, a suspect, an innocent, a police officer, you have no idea who it is when they arrive and you give them the best care that you can to try and help them. >> did you look out the window at all? did you see anything outside? >> i did go and look out the win dp doe. i did not see anything other than the police cars rushing into watertown. >> being an urban medical center, you get patients brought in under police guard all the time. was there anything different in the emergency room? was it more police officers than usual, anything to indicate this is very serious, what's happening here? >> so there was a large police presence when the patient arrived. more so than typical. >> were they able to talk to the patient at all and gleam anything from him? >> i can't speak to that. >> the police commissioner did say there was a suspect that was killed. can you confirm that suspect was here? >> no, we can't confirm at all. all we can say is a patient was brought in. we don't have anymore information than that. in fact, you probably have more information than we do about this. >> cause of death, sir? >> this was a trauma arrest. multiple injuries. probably, we believe, a combination of blasts, potentially gunshot wounds. >> how many gunshot wounds? >> unable to count. >> multiple gunshot wounds? >> yes. and probably a blast injury also. >> blast, meaning what? >> an explosive device, shrapnel. >> can you describe where it was? >> pretty much throughout the trunk. >> would it be consistent with perhaps a bomb strapped on? >> unclear. i think the medical examiner will be able to kind of conclusively say that. but there were signs of more than just gunshot wounds. >> injuries to the trunk? >> yes. >> multiple gunshots. >> we're going to take maybe two or three more questions. that's about all that we can say. >> did he lose a lot of blood? >> unable to say. >> do we know if he said anything? >> all we know is he arrived in arrest here. we don't really know what happened at the scene. >> so he was in cardiac arrest before he got into the emergency room? >> that's correct. >> and you worked on him for about 10 or 15 minutes or so? >> that's correct. >> okay. thank you very much. thank you. >> just heard from medical officials at beth israel hospital. this is the facility that treated the suspect, suspect number one, who came into their facility after a shootout with police. from what they said, what's most instructive to us right now, is the nature of his injuries. they said that he was in cardiac arrest prior to arriving. they worked on him for about 10 to 15 minutes. in terms of his injuries, they said he was suffering from more than just gunshot wounds. he had multiple injuries. a combination of blast wounds and gunshot wounds. in referring to the blast wounds, they went on to say that it seemed to be something consistent with wounds from an explosive device. there was evidence of shrapnel, burns, and it was throughout the trunk. that's all they would reveal at the time. they said they had no information about his identity or age. they could only say, quote, it was an adult male. they did say they try to give the same care to every patient. they worked on this man for about 10 to 15 minutes. he came in in cardiac arrest. i want to the throw it now to my colleague, who's going to take over coverage of this developing story. mika? >> mara, thank you. it's been an astonishing night of breaking news. reports of explosions and a massive gunfight with two men in watertown, massachusetts, as involved into a full-on man hunt. it's all connected to the terror attack at the boston marathon. boston's police commissioner confirms that one of the suspects is dead. the one in these pictures in the black hat from fbi surveillance video released yesterday. the suspect in the white hat remains at large. he's believed to be in a gray sweatshirt, and he's considered armed and extremely dangerous. in all of the violence, one m.i.t. police officer is dead. another officer is severely wounded. police are right now going door to door trying to find the second suspect somewhere in watertown. they're warning people in the area to stay in their homes, to lock up, to not let anybody in their homes unless they are police officers. it all began, apparently, when the suspects shot and killed an m.i.t. police officer, then tried to rob a 7-eleven. pete williams reports they later carjacked a mercedes suv near m.i.t.'s ca
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Apr 19, 2013 1:00am PDT
. that's why i'm guessing there may have been a third. but i don't know. >> pete williams in d.c., thanks so much for that. >>> we heard from pete williams officials have one person in custody and there may be a second person who is a dead and there may be a third person at large. we don't want to use the term suspect inaccurately. as pete noted, there's some kind of ongoing threat in the area. this all began last night when witnesses reported hearing a number of explosions in watertown, massachusetts, at least three explosions, we heard that from a number of different witnesses. we also heard reports of firefights. one eyewitness telling us that there were too many gun shots to count. reports of evacuations of residents as that began to unfold. we heard from an eyewitness who saw the whole thing from his apartment. he said that it went on for quite some time and he saw a pressure cooker and hand grenade being thrown on the street. as these events have progressed, reporting has revealed that it's increasingly likely that in fact these suspects are in some way connected to the bos
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Apr 17, 2013 2:00pm EDT
note for pete williams. two sources tell nbc news that two people have video of a person placing a black bag down. one confirm authorities have video of several individuals including this one person who they are interested in questioning. these have been described to nbc has solid leads. looking for him to question. this is what we are getting at nbc news from law enforcement officials. not about an arrest. not about an identified suspect per say. but that they have leads based on the video surveillance cameras that they have had access to. >> we know this. a security camera is the camera which has captured much of the video that law enforcement officials are using in their investigation. that is from google maps and that is the camera on the corner of the lord and taylor. nbc news investigative producer on this. bob, maybe you can answer a fundamental question from our viewers. >>> it is the hallmark of this investigation. and he is said to one of the things that we have to be assured of is that we are getting it from essentially the horse's mouth. the authority involved in making
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Apr 19, 2013 5:00am PDT
i have to ask you to continue to do that. our number one priority is with these neighborhoods in watertown and making them safe and finding this individual. that's what we're committed to. we need more time. we're making significant progress up there. it may take hours to do this. please bear with us. i know there are a lot of questions and we'll have plenty of time to address those after this. for right now, this is about public safety. this is about watertown neighborhoods. please give us that leeway. we'll be back shortly. thank you. >> a news conference held by officials who are involved in this investigation and ensuring the public safety. we heard from massachusetts governor deval patrick and the extraordinary gravity of this situation really is upon us as the entire city of boston, residents there, told to shelter in place and not leave their homes as investigators try to get control of this situation. i want to go back to pete williams who has been doing some great reporting for us this morning. pete, as we consider the public safety issue now present in boston, this isn't just a matter of getting hands on this suspect, but needless to say he's extraordinarily dangerous and we've had reports through the night that during that chase with police, both of these suspects were allegedly hurling explosives at police. >> yes. it is interesting. i can't think of a time when a major community like this was basically under lockdown. even when you have a killer on the loose or someone who escapes from prison or gets out of police custody, an active shooter. to lockdown an entire city is really extraordinary. it tells you the seriousness with which they are taking this. now, we know that they had a good deal of explosives in the car that they carjacked. that suggests that they were carrying quite a few explosives when they just grabbed somebody else's car. they hadn't loaded up a car with explosives first. they had them on their person. perhaps they are acting on the supposition that if the brother when he got out of the car in watertown and confronted police was wearing explosives strapped on his body. perhaps they are working on the supposition that the brother who is still at large might have done the same. or might have pocketed hand grenades or whatever else. and might have a number of explosives on him. that's the best explanation i can think of for why they are imposing such remarkable level of security in that area as they continue to try to find him. it's really amazing. >> pete, we'll ask you to stand by. i want to turn to don, former fbi agent involved in the joint terrorism task force. we really don't have complete information here and we are not in a position to speculate about motive. i'll say one thing, if pete's reporting is correct and these brothers have been residing in the united states in this area for up to ten years, these are two men who would have had significant ties to the community which i think speaks to the brazenness of this attack. >> absolutely. there's a lot of information that's going to unfold as time passes and we'll learn more about these guys. immediately the fbi is going to want to talk to the family members to try to figure out if anybody had any idea of what the motives could be. travel history could be really important. one of the things that we always look for for people that have been born here or lived here for a long time, have they traveled to get training or foreign direction and then come back. this will hopefully help us figure out if this has overseas direction or purely hatched in the minds of two these brothers. >> let's rejoin the press conference going on with state officials. let's take a listen. >> he's 33 years old. he's been a transit police officer for three years. he's currently at the hospital. thank you. >> where was he shot? >> i believe that was an officer who was giving the identity. we joined it in progress. it sounded like it could be one of the officers involved in this shootout. we'll get that. we'll nail that down for you. let's turn again to don. this is just one of those situations where as i said before, i think we don't know what the motive could be. we know that these are two men who were born overseas. we don't know what their ideology is. we don't know what motivated this attack. this is a wide open investigation at this point. >> we don't know that. one thing we do know, they're extremely dangerous. in my fbi days we had a terms for these. tier 1 terrorists. most dangerous. we have a real life bomb checker on the loose and it's extremely volatile situation. time will tell what the motive is. right now the most important thing is to figure out where this person is and get that immediate danger under control. >> good to have your expertise this morning. a reminder that the city of boston in near paralysis this morning as officials are telling residents there to stay in their homes. some of you will now return to local programming. for others, we'll have more of this special edition of "today." the fbi just released a new photo of the suspect they are still looking for. this is taken by surveillance cameras at the 711. pete williams says these suspects are brothers from russia and may have military experience. they also say the two have been in the country for as long as a year. >>> to give you some perspective, watertown is a suburb of boston, about 8 1/2 miles from the site of the bombings and about six miles from the m.i.t. campus. our terry mcqueensweeney is liv watertown where the house is surrounded. what is the scene and the mood right now? >> reporter: for hours, we have had the city of watertown on lockdown. i have seen s.w.a.t. team members going door to door bringing people out as best as they can. an extraordinary announcement that the city of boston is on lockdown, with more than 600,000 additional people now on lockdown. it is more of a request lockdown. they are asking people to stay inside their homes. they do not know where suspect number two as he has been identified, the one with the white cap backwards. no idea where he is. they hope he is in watertown. they believe he is in watertown. i have never seen so many police officers in one town in one area in my life. the entire town locked down. >> obviously, we are having some problems with terry's audio. he is live in watertown, massachusetts. that entire city on lockdown as is brand new information coming into the newsroom. the city of boston, sheltered in place. more than a quarter million people asked to stay in their home as police search for suspect number two. >> that's right. transit systems down. all schools are closed. we will continue to cover this breaking news all morning long. right now, we know you have plans of your own today. want to get a check of the local forecast with meteorologist, christina loren. >>> good news, we don't have a lot to worry about when it comes to your forecast. temperatures in the 40s and 50s. no wind happening at the coast. winds have relaxed, mostly in the 5-10-mile-per-hour range. high pressure will bring about a significant warmup. in the 90s as of next week. as of today, warm afternoon. unseasonably mild. make sure you are ready for that. 82, livermore, 76, fremont. 70 in san francisco. we will have your seven-day outlook. >>> we do have a pretty smooth flow here through fremont. the construction south of mission boulevard. we will take a look at the maps. here we have 880 on our maps. 680 shows slowing. light volume of traffic may be a couple of slow-moving vehicles. construction that you head south on 880, it looks like they are about to pick up. we don't have any major slowing yet. a smooth drive through the south bay as well as we take a look over here toward the castro valley "y." a crash on cherry. it is a surface street, pretty big one. it is not affecting 238 or 580. castro valley "y" always a suspect when we hear about anything. >> 5:12, our coverage of the breaking news in watertown continues next. >>> one suspect from the boston bombings is dead. a second 19-year-old suspect is still on the run. police have closed off a 20-block radius in the area. they believe him to be hiding in. we will be right back. >>> one of the suspects in the boston marathon has been killed. the other is on the run. >> this is a fluid, active situation in watertown, eight miles from boston. "today in the bay's" bob redell is live in the newsroom. he is monitoring the updates coming in all morning long. what's the very latest? >>> good morning. if you are waking up just now and you weren't paying attention to what happened overnight, this did develop overnight. it happened ruffle six hours after the fbi released the surveillance images of these two suspects. the one with the black cap is tamerlan tsarnaev. he was the one killed by police in a shootout in the town of watertown. this is a suburb of boston. he also died not only of gunshot wounds but apparently of blast wounds. he was wearing some sort of explosive device around his trunk. we heard from the hospital in that area. it was not only gunshot wounds that killed him but he had thermal burns and shrapnel indicating that the bomb went off. the other person the police are looking for, the one that is wearing the white cap, his younger brother, a 19-year-old man named dzhokhar tsarnaev. we heard from our reporter, terry mcsweeney who is saying the police presence is overwhelming, because they are so concerned about how dangerous they consider him. we heard an nbc terrorist consultant refer to him as a tier one terrorist. that being the worst kind of terrorist, referring to him as a bomb-chucker. one of these men were seen lighting and throwing a bomb at police last night during the shootout. there are apparently bombs that have not been detonated that are littering one of the streets in watertown. there are concerns that he is armed with a gun and has bombs. not only have they asked people to shelter in place in watertown, cambridge, other surrounding neighborhoods. they have asked them to shelter in the city of boston themselves. this is the warning just issued moments ago by the governor of massachusetts. >>> it is a serious situation. we are asking the public to take it seriously as well. with this law enforcement by following those simple instructions. we've got every asset that we can possibly muster on the ground right now. they are doing a terrific job and working in concert with each other. we are going to need the public to help us help them stay safe. >> as i mentioned, this shootout took place rufftook place rough the fbi released the photos of those two men. there was a carjacking and police were on their trail shortly there after. to wrap it up, the one brother, the older one, he is dead. that suspect has been shot and killed by police as the younger brother, the 19-year-old is still at-large and police are very concerned about how armed and dangerous he is. that's why you have this shelter in place, which is effectively shutting down the boston metropolitan area. the transit areas in the agency are shut down. reporting live, bob redell, nbc bay area news. >>> we want to tell you our own terry mcqueeny is in watertown and we expect a live report from him in a moment. i want to check in with scott mcgrew this morning. throughout all this, it is so interesting how many people have been following twitter and on the internet. they really have the lead on all this. people gathering their information, scott. >>> good morning to you. we have to be a bit cautious about the internet. we have learned this from the internet. they are capable of making a lot of mistakes, as is the mainstream media. cnn "new york post" will never be thought of in the same way, twitter making its own mistakes, naming a young student as one of the possible suspects early. he was not. i put together a couple of sources on the internet that have been dependable for us, tune in radio. an app and it is online. it has the boston scanners. that tends to come and go. the local boston news radio station, wbz 1030, you can listen live. they have been doing a good job. further, twitter user,@marynmck. and then@terrymcqueeny and he is taking pictures tweeting the shootout outside of his apartment. here is the black mercedes that everyone was talking about. it has truly been an astonishing twitter feed. one of the most astonishing is this one. look at the calendar behind that chair. this is in andrew's apartment. a bullet hole as they fired bullets and had a shootout. these are hard to follow and you don't know what is what but the list i gave you and which i will give to you again later we think is dependable. we continue to monitor all of this. as bob said, he will have updates as well. we will continue throughout the day the second we know something. laura? >> maybe you can tweet that out as well. it is really interesting. people are gathering so much information. >> meanwhile, we are looking at the forecast here in the bay area. meteorologist, christina loren, has it. >> it is looking pretty good, pretty simple. this is what we want, 5:21. let's start with your current temperatures. it is pretty cool. we will be posting for you throughout the day. nbc bay area.com. if there are any big breaks, we will go back to network. we are all over this this morning. 53, oakland, 49, san francisco. 51 in san jose. by noon, temperatures are going to climb in the mid-70s. it is going to be very summerlike very quickly around here. 75 degrees at lunchtime in san jose. rounding out the day with plenty of 80s. you will see the mid to upper 70s. 83 degrees. the warmest cities will be fairfield and gilroy today. as we get through the end of the weekend, that's when the warmup kicks into high gear, up to 87 degrees on sunday. that's your beach day, staying nice and warm monday into tuesday. the warmest cities will be in the mid-90s. all the way through the end of next week, keeping that big ridge of high pressure will stand firm and keep our temperatures unseasonably warm. if you are getting ready to work, mike is here to help you get there. >>> i have to go out and buy my son some new shorts, because he grew taller, which is great. this is the east shore freeway, westbound 80, commute, nice and smooth. it is friday. we see a later, lighter build. we will track the maps. that's what we are seeing over here. the maps showing you the same direction marked with the arrow boun through berkeley and emeryville. 24, slowing in both directions heading toward the caldicot. lafayette, may be a few vehicles pul pulled over. the venetia bridge. we have activity out of fairfield and toward the cordelia junction. there may be a crash going on. one car is wedged underneath that logging truck. it may be a distraction. we will get more details from hp. san rafael, southbound 101 through the north bay, a smooth, light problem. this will start to build. not until later on today. >>> we continue to follow breaking development out of massachusetts. more details coming up after this. >>> welcome back. 5:25. recap our breaking news. the boston marathon bombing suspects. one is dead. the second suspect is still at-large. >> an all-out manhunt is going on. out this hour in watertown, massachusetts. it is about eight miles from boston. police say the suspect, pictured in a white hat on the day of the marathon is the man they are still looking for. he has been identified as 19-year-old dzhokhar tsarnaev. he was spotted at a 7-eleven wearing a gray hoodie. this man is believed to be armed and very dangerous. >>> a look at what happened at 10:30 last night. a 7-eleven was robbed and an officer shot on the m.i.t. campus and died. a car jack of a mercedes suv was reported as well in cambridge. police spotted that suv in watertown leading to a pursuit and the shootout. investigators say one of the suspects was shot and killed. the other managed to escape. the other suspect is identified as 26-year-old tamerlan tsarnaev. suspect number two, as we had mentioned, 19-year-old dzhokhar tsarnaev. >>> the mother of the 11-year-old boy wounded in the boston marathon says he has taken a huge step forward. that news comes as aaron hern, received a special visit at the hospital from first lady, michelle obama. here is the proof. the hern family released this. she brought replicas of bo. the family says he has had all tubes removed and is able to sit up and talk. he was at the finish line waiting for his mother, who was running the marathon, when the bombs went off. >>> we're going to have a lot more coming up this morning. we are continuing to follow the breaking news out of boston this morning. they are really beefing up security there. more ahead. >>> breaking news. the city on edge after a search for the men responsible for the boston bombings. one has been shot and the other is on the run. >>> i'm laura garcia cannon. this is a story that's been changing all night long. at 10:30 last night, a 7-eleven in cambridge was robbed, an officer shot and killed on the m.i.t. campus. a carjacking of a mercedes suv was reported as well in cambridge. police spotted that suv in watertown leading to a chase and a shootout. during the shootout, the man believed to be suspect number one with the black cap was shot and killed. one officer shot. he was injured. the suspect, number two, the one with the white cap, was able to get away and is still on the loose. the fbi just released a new photo of the suspect they are looking for. it was taken by surveillance cameras at the 7-eleven. pete williams says the suspects are brothers from russia and may have military experience. the one killed by police in a shootout has been identified as 26-year-old tamerlan tsarnaev. the one on the run has been identified as 19-year-old dzhokhar tsarnaev. they have been in the country for at least ten years. >>> watertown is a suburb of boston, about 8 1/2 miles from the site of the bombings at copley square in boston and about six miles from the m.i.t. campus. "today in the bay's" terry mcsweeney is live in watertown. he joins us live. we spoke to you at the top of the show. what is the scene like right now. >> reporter: the scene right now is police presence everywhere in watertown where police believe they still may have the suspect -- i wouldn't say trapped. somewhere in this town. is a large town. for hours, 300,000 people have been ordered to shelter in place. a short time ago in a shocking announcement, boston police chief, ed davis and massachusetts governor, duvall patrick, announced they are putting the city of boston on a shelter in place notice. they want people to stay inside. there is the possibility that this suspect, suspect number two, the one you see in the pictures with the white cap backwards may have eluded this dragnet somehow and may be heading to boston. they don't know. they are making sure that anybody who could be in harm's way is aware of it and told to shelter in place. i have had a long time of discovering events. emergency vehicles, you have the state police here. fbi. police were all over the area, not just boston, watertown, all kind of communities. they continue to pour into watertown where investigators believe they have suspect number two somewhere in this town. the concern is that during the chase last night, there were explosives thrown out of the vehicle. the suspect, number one, may have had explosives strapped to him. pete williams was saying a short time ago, the concern is that suspect number two on the loose may have explosives strapped to him. they say they came to this city to kill. suspect number two may not be done trying to do just that and may have explosives strapped to him. that is why this extraordinary order to shelter in place somewhere around 900,000 people. 625,000 in boston and the 300,000 that were sheltered in place earlier. that order has been put into effect. it is an incredible scene out here. there is a media from all over the world is here at this corner. we are surrounded by police. police are everywhere out here. as i stand here, i see a large vehicle, lights on, sirens have been going by me all morning long. the state police making sure that nobody goes any further than where we are right here on the edge of watertown. >> you painted a really good picture that you are there with tons of other media surrounded by police. you are in watertown. that place is in lockdown, shelter in place there. how do you feel about your own safety being out there as a reporter on the street and talking about how absolutely dangerous this particular person is? >> reporter: well, it is hard to put myself into the mind of someone who would do what this person did last night, suspected of killing monday during the boston marathon. it did cross my mind if he is looking for the most spectacular way to end things, if he tried to get closer to the world media, that would be one thought. that's total speculation on my part. as i'm standing here, i hear the siren. the police car goes by me there. i feel very, very, safe because of the incredible police presence here. i have never, ever seen this many police officers in one place at one time. >> you take care out there. of course, we'll be checking in with you throughout this show. >> terry joining us by phone. we want to take you live to watertown where nbc's chris pollone joins us. the police just shutdown that entire city. >> reporter: i'm in boston on the boston common about eight miles from watertown just off to my west a little bit. we're right in the center of where everything is shut down. now, this is the boston common. it is by definition the gathering place of the city of boston. has been for 400 years now. right now, there is not a soul on the boston common. usually, you would see joggers, people walking their dogs. a lot of activity. it is absolutely desolate, almost like a sunday morning in the city of boston. police have stopped taxi cabs from picking up fairs. there is no public transportation in eastern massachusetts at all, what we call the "t" hoor ere in boston shout down. the governor is asking people in the city of boston to shelter in place, stay in their homes, lock their doors, don't answer their doors for anyone because of the manhunt going on over in watertown. police believe the last remaining suspect, the 19-year-old, the person you saw in those fbi videos pictured with the white hat on, they believe he is willing to do absolutely anything not to be taken alive in by police and that he is willing to kill anyone or harm anyone that might get in his way to do that. police say there are several crime scenes all around the boston area, places with are there are possibly unexploded explosive devices. they just haven't been able to process those because of the manhunt going on. i can't think of a time in my life when this has happened in another major american city. it is certainly eery to see this going on where an entire city and suburbs are shut down in search for one person. >> before you go, you are in boston. we are getting reports that the suspect could be surrounded in watertown. do you know anything about that? >> reporter: there have been reports off and on all morning. they thought they had him cornered at one point in a commercial building. at this point, it is just going to be speculation on my part of whether he is cornered or not. they thought they had him earlier this morning. that apparently turned out not to be true because the manhunt continued for quite a bit of time. we have to check with our sources and see what the latest is on that. >>> we'll have to keep checking back on you. thank you very much. chris pollone, live in boston. >> one of the two suspects in the boston marathon bombing is dead. a massive marathon hunt is on for the other two suspects. they did release the driver of that car. he was not hurt. they are also suspected of killing an officer at the m.i.t. campus. right now, we know the two suspects are brothers. the one that is still on the run is being identified as 19-year-old dzhokhar tsarnaev. the other is 26-year-old tamerlan tsarnaev. they had a backpack believed to be carrying the explosives from the boston marathon. the older brother, seen there, is dead. the man seen wearing the white hat, identified as dzhokhar tsarnaev, he is still on the run. they came here to the united states in 2002, 2003 with their families. >> they could have heavily armed and strapped with bombs. >>> let's check in with meteorologist, christina loren. >> a lot of people trying to get to work and get out of town. i want to point out, we don't have any flight delays out of san francisco. you will find some heading into the northeast for today. we have a potent weather system headed that way. delays above one hour. keep that in mind. a pretty good-looking day. your hour by hour detail, 40s and 50s to start. temperatures climbing in the 60s and 70s. we will round out the day warm. 70, san francisco. 83 today in fairfield. as we head through the next seven days, temperatures stay nice and warm. above average all the way through the extended period. let's take a look at your drive with mike. >> we will take you out to san jose. the volume is starting to pick up over the last eight to ten minutes here. northbound 110 underneath 680. we will show you you the maps for the area. you do see the yellow now. underneath where it says san jose as speeds start to come down into the 50s. on average, 50 miles per hour. shifting as far as the volume on 101. heading southbound toward 105. no crashes reported there. north 85 with the arrow. that's what we are talking about, close to blossom hill road. a single car crash there. no major injuries. there is a distraction. the car facing the wrong way. that is a little jarring as you come out of frethe freeway. backup starting to form in these cash lanes. that's pretty traditional. we'll track it over at 5:41 on friday. back to you. >>> we will have the latest on the manhunt for the remaining boston marathon bombing suspects. more right after this break. when i take a picture of this check, it goes straight to the bank. oh. oh look the lion is out! no mommy no! don't worry honey, it only works on checks. deposit checks from your smartphone with chase quickdeposit. just snap a picture, hit send and done. take a step forward and chase what matters. >>> welcome back. breaking news out of massachusetts. watertown in lockdown. boston, a shelter in place there as well. terry mcqueeny, live in watertown monitoring the very latest developments. >> reporter: the latest we have, pete williams, nbc news reporting, that investigative police believe they know where suspect number two, the suspect, is located. they say it is here in watertown. i am standing as close as anybody is allowed to get to watertown. i'm looking up at a helicopter circling an area not terribly far from where we are standing. circling the area over watertown. the faa has declared the area over watertown a no-fly zone mink that that helicopter is a police helicopter. again, investigators think that they know where this second suspect is. that would be a major development here. obviously, for the people of boston, a short time ago. police chief of boston, ed davis, came out here along with governor duvall patrick, aannounce t announce the city of boston is on a shelter in place order. for hours now, including the entire city of watertown. the latest we have out here, pete williams, nbc news. haes be he has been right on this one all along. the investigators believe they know where suspect number two is hold up here in watertown. police helicopter flying over the city. now, it is just frozen in the air. it is stationary i would guess maybe a mile from where i'm standing here with all the gathered media from around the world. police keeping us in this spot. no one being allowed to go into watertown. the entire mass transit system in boston is shout down. they did not want suspect number two to escape. suspect number one was shot and killed overnight. there is a report that he had explosives strapped to him. they had certainly thrown explosives at officers as they chased that mercedes suv that they had car jacked. the concern is that suspect number two may have explosives strapped to him, sefrcertainly available to him. knowing where he is is one thing. figuring out how to get him out without someone else in the neighborhood or area being injured or killed would be another. police are here. the helicopter i was talking about, the police helicopter, is now circling back, coming back over towards us. we will keep you posted from watertown as this amazing and stunning story continues to develop. >> we will check back with you very soon. be safe out there. as the manhunt continues this morning for the remaining boston marathon bombing suspect more than 3,000 miles away, people are getting ready to show their support for the victims of that terror attack right here. >> reporter: good morning. when something like this happens, people want to help. they want to do something. in less than two hours, hundreds of runners are going to gather here at the fairy building in san francisco. word about this run is being spread through social media. they have a facebook page up. san francisco will run for boston. that's what it is called, to show support and solidarity for all the runners wounded at the boston marathon bombings this week. the san francisco marathon team is running in honor of athletes in that prestigious boston race. a loop of just over four miles. this is also being spread on twitter with the #runforboston. they ran for the three bombing victims who died last night, three miles in silence. today's run was supposed to start at sue beerman park but the outpouring was so great, they moved the start over to the fairy building athe 7:00 this morning. if facebook is any indication, so far, 524 people have rsvp'd, we are coming. we are going to take part. they have asked to wear yellow and blue, the colors of the boston marathon. >> very nice tribute. >>> in the meantime, we are looking at the forecast here in the bay area. meteorologist, christina loren. it is a nice one? >>> it is a nice one. we still have to get to work. a live picture. a pretty day as the new day begins here in san jose. 5:48. temperatures are chilly. grab your coat. high pressure is going to bring about a significant warmup later today. 42, gilroy, 48, livermore. this big ridge moves in today. it is going to drive the winds offshore. that means great beach weather if you want to spend time with your kids or stay inside. pretty nice, not too hot. next week, really warm readings come into the mix. winds have dropped off. they were calm yesterday. let's talk about what we can expect as we head throughout the day today. as we get into this weekend, temperatures will stay nice and mild. here is a look at your drive with mike inouye. >> let's take a look at the maps right away. let's get you locateded on the hayward side of the san mateo bridge. we are talking about mission boulevard. first note, castro valley yfr"y and 880. a deadly crash on a major surface street, mission boulevard near 14th. a couple of blocks south of medford are closed right now. a big deal if folks are headed up toward the freeway. foothill getting over there. we are going to have our chopper get over there and see how much activity is going on. it is a deadly crash on the city streets south of 238 as you are coming off of the castro valley yfrmth "y." we continue to track that. meanwhile, the rest of the roadways, the freeways, are moving pretty smoothly around the bay. it is a friday. we have a later bill for 580 westbound. no crashes. a little slowing. also, down through livermore. a little slowing there as well. pretty typical for this time. starting to build the volume coming out of the north bay and into the east bay. much farther north, west 80. your commute. we have a sig alert. there is a truck and a car that got into a crash. they are stuck in lanes for the time being. we see the backup forming in these cash lanes. still, no metering lights. back to you. >>> we continue to monitor t breaking news coming out of boston. we will have the very latest on the search for the remaining boston marathon bombing suspect. more right after this break. >>> at 5:53, we continue to follow the breaking news. the manhunt is on wait for one of the suspects. the other has been killed in a shootout with police. the quickly moving situation means everything we learn has to be treated with a great deal of caution. >> the world learned the hard way during the atlanta bombing. >> that's when a security guard was tried and found guilty in the media. the msnbc news is reporting that the two brothers did tell the carjacking victims they were the marathon bombers. one of the biggest missteps as you well know was the "new york post" putting this picture of two men calling them bag men. they had nothing to do with the bombing, labeling them as bagmen. one of them is a high school track star who had just simply come to the race to watch. caution. self-appointed internet detectives turned out to be incredible ineffective. we have seen links that appear to have been posted by one of the bombers several years ago. we don't know for sure it is. so we are not going to show it to you until we are sure. we are getting it translated at this point. i have this twitter picture. this comes from one of the twitter people we had been following. it seems to be very authentic. hits family sheltering in place. the boston regional intelligence center has sent out a wanted poster. the one remaining suspect who is still at-large. as you've been reporting, we do have reports that perhaps they know where it is. i am going to leave it to you, marla and laura, to give us the latest on that. >>> on the boston marathon suspects, one is dead and the second is still at-large. >> the all-out manhunt in watertown, massachusetts, eight miles from boston. police say the suspect pictured here in the white hat the day of the marathon, is the man they are looking for. he has been identified as 19-year-old dzhokhjoe tsarnaev. police say he is believed to be armed and very dangerous. >>> 10:30 last night, local time, a 7-eleven was robbed. after that, an officer shot on the m.i.t. campus and died. carjacking of the mercedes suv was reported as well in cambridge. police spotted that suv in watertown leading to a pursuit and a shootout. we know the two suspects are brothers. the one still on the run is 19-year-old dzhokhar tsarnaev. >>> authorities have shut down boston and several nearby suburbs, including the city of watertown. they are ordering residents to stay in their home. they have shut down the city's public transportation system. >>> the city has been shut down now as a safety measure. people at subway stations or at bus stops, we are asking them to go home. we do not want people congregating and waiting for the system to come back on. >> authorities have asked businesses in watertown to remain closed while the manhunt continues >>> 5:57. a live report from the boston area on the latest from the search right after the break. ♪ alright, let's go. ♪ shimmy, shimmy chocolate. ♪ shimmy, shimmy chocolate. ♪ we, we chocolate cross over. ♪ yeah, we chocolate cross over. ♪ [ male announcer ] introducing fiber one 80 calorie chocolate cereal. ♪ chocolate. ♪ the one and only, cheerios >> we believe this to be a terrorist. we believe this to be a man who has come here to kill people. we need to get him in custody. >> explosives, a shootout and a police pursuit in massachusetts right now. the search is on for one of the suspects in the boston marathon bombings. now, nbc news is reporting law enforcement may know where he is. >>> good morning. this is just about 6:00 a.m. on friday. this morning, the suspect known as the man in the dark cap. 26-year-old tamerlan tsarnaev is dead. the other suspect is dead. the other is armed and dangerous. we now know they are brothers from russia. law enforcement officers descended in the area where both suspects were spotted overnight after investigators say they killed an officer at m.i.t. during the pursuit and shootout, one suspect was shot and killed. one officer was shot and injured. the second suspect, he was able to get away. he is still on the loose. the entire city of boston is surrounding areas under shelter. the faa has put a no-fly zone in order over watertown, massachusetts. "today in the bay's" chris pollone joins us live in watertown, massachusetts, with all the new breaking details for us. chris? >> reporter: it is a quiet, eery desolate boston commons. it is empty. the governor of massachusetts has asked people to stay indoors as a massive manhunt fans out across the area. they are looking for the second suspect in the boston marathon bombing. the first suspect was killed overnight. police believe this armed, dangerous person who is willing to do anything is on the loose and they need to take him in. a dramatic and surreal scene. dozens of officers going door to deer clearing areas where one suspect was shot and killed. duvall patrick urging residents to stay vigilant. >> stay indoors with your door locked and not open the door for anyone other than an officer. >> reporter: police confirmed two suspects wanted in the bombing led them to boston, massachusetts. the suspect in the black hat is dead. the suspect in the white hat is still on the run. >> we believe these are the same individuals responsible for the bombing on monday at the bos ton marathon. >> reporter: police say the pair were involved in i an armed robbery in cambridge, massachusetts, and shot and killed an m.i.t. officer and wounded another. >> we believe this to be a terrorist, a man coming here to kill people. we need to get him in
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citing boston pd. others citing federal sources. our own pete williams has taken a break from us to work the phones himself, and is now ready to speak us to in our washington bureau. pete, what do you know and what can we say? >> what we've been told by several source says there is no arrest. then it begins to break down from there, about whether -- let's start at the other end. what do they know? they believe they have video that shows what they were looking for. a person setting down a black nylon bag at the scene of one of the bombings and walking away. now as we go toward the other end of that, we have two conflicting source is on whether, you know, they see that person, they look at the face. do they know who it is or not? someone says yes, they are trying to find him. other sources say no, they are trying to figure out who it is. which is it, i don't know. i will say throughout this, from the beginning of this, this has been the hall mark of this story. that information that is pointing in totally different direction says coming from normally very dependable sources and you kn
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[ music ] >> bill: hey, good morning, everybody. it is friday, friday april 19th. let's make it. welcome to the "full-court press" here on current tv. it has been quite a night, and it is quite a morning. all eyes up on boston. it has been mayhem through the night in the boston. one suspect is dead. the other at large. police are on the trail. they believe they have kind of cornered him in a building in the watertown section of boston. if you are just joining us and just waking up to the news it started at 10:30 last night when these two suspects robbed a 7-11 in cambridge and went to the cam pus of mit where they shot and killed an mit police officer, car-jacked a car and then the police started chasing them into watertown. the watertown area. as they were doing so. the suspects were throwing explosives from the car. they arrived in the watertown area there ensued a gun ask the fight. the guy in the black hat got out of the car. he had an ied strapped to his body and mr. white hat escaped. he is at large considered at large and dangerous, and the entire area of watertown, the western suburbs of boston have been shutdown. >> that's where we are right now, as we start the full court press this morning. we will monitor the situation and keep you updated right here on the full court prose current tv. 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[ music ] broadcasting across the nation on your radio and on current tv this is "the bill press show." >> bill: good friday morning, everybody. it is friday april 19th. we are coming to you live from our nation's capitol, where we and it seems the entire world are focused on the unfolding situation up in boston. if you are just rolling out of bed, if you are just getting up if you are just tuning in and you haven't been up all night watching the news, it has been a night of mayhem in the boston area jumping to the chase, one of the suspects in the boston bombing of the marathon on monday is dead. the other is at large. he is armed and dangerous. parts of the city of boston have been -- the western suburbs of boston have been shut down as the police are dragging him down. they have warned everybody to stay indoors. they have shut down the entire public transit system in the area. area. it's a very touchy situation in boston. events have moved very fast. bringing up bringing you up to date, it started at 10:30 last night, started yesterday afternoon late when the f.b.i. released the photos of the two suspects, one in a black hat one in a white hat both walking through the area, both carrying back packs. both seen putting their back packs down and leaving the area. and the police were trying to find them, track them down. but as the actions of the two men, themselves, that brought police to -- after them. it was their actions that got them to -- brought to the attention of authorities. they started last night at 10:30 when they robbed a 7-11. they went on the campus of mit where they shot and killed a police officer sitting in his car and then they carjacked a car and police took after them, an s.u.v. the car chase ensued. the dis respect were driving through the western suburbs throwing explosives out of their car. they got to water town and the gun chase gun fight follows from that. the blackhat gets out of the car. he is shot and killed by police officers. he has an i.e.d strapped to his chest. they run over his body. then the white hat during this at this confusion, he escapes on foot in to the area of watertown. and that is when the police locked down the western suburbs. this morning, they are asking everybody to stay indoors. 24e6 shut down the transit systems, and they are asking people not to congregate at the bus stops or the subway stops waiting for the service to resume. but to go back home if they are already home and if they haven't left home, to stay home. not let anybody in. and there are reports that the police officer are now focused on and zeroed in on one building where they believe that suspect is. let's dip into the coverage locally. up in boston. this is w ht h, channel 7, the nbc affiliate in boston and pick-up their coverage. >> a young man considered out of a young family with a little child, just putting on their socks and let's go back to the swat.w.a.t. team, john, as they work this area more having rusly than they have at any time during the night sweeping through the houses they have apparently satisfied themselves that the explosives were not as dangerous as they feared they might be earlier in the night. they felt safe enough they could move the residents out and now moved in to at least one house here, heavily armored themselves moving and searching. as you heard from one of the residents, checking the residences as well for potential weapons and the investigation continues. i will go back for a moment while you continue to watch. >> yes. we had heard that neighbors should not be surprised if police officers that would be clearly defined as an officers. when a s.w.a.t. team comes to your door, that looks obvious they may be making sweeps going in and out of homes. initially, we were hearing they may be doing that and sort of almost surveying the households to make sure there wasn't anybody there that didn't belong. also talking about suspicious devices possibly making a sweep through back yards, through back yards, we saw devices being thrown from vehicles and somebody reporting seeing a pressure cooker in the street, which we all know now was a device that one, if not two used on monday at the marathon. so the concern isn't just about finding our suspect number 2, which is obviously the primary focus but then also, once they capture that person, the concern about public safety and what else might be left behind. they have been asking people to stay indoors basically have that city and many others around it under lockdown. we are seeing some families now leave, the family dan showed us with the young child, the gentleman there who earlier was showing the scene from out of his window and i wonder where they are going, if there is some sort of shelter or going to a high school or something like that. we haven't had word because last we heard from authorities was that people should stay put. >> if you can imagine waking up to this scene in your house. >> sure. >> these people probably heard everything last night. >> they can see or hear there, the police sweeping the area house by house by house. they have asked people to stay indoors. there are also reports earlier that they were bringing buses in to move people out of the area if they wanted to get out of their homes and just get completely away from the scene. again, let's go back to yesterday afternoon. the head of the boston office of the fbi, rick delarea. they made the decision overnight to release the video and the photos of these two men, suspect 1 and suspect 2. suspect 1 wearing the black hat. suspect 2 -- i may have them backwards. one was black hat, one was white hat. with back packs. rick delarea said these are the two guys. we need your help if anybody has ever seen these two guys around call the f.b.i. >> after a detailed analysis, photo, and other evidence, we are releasing photos of these two suspects. they are identified as suspects 1 and suspect 2. they appear to be associated. >> bill: and then, yesterday afternoon, also, in boston president obama speaking at the inter faith service in memory of those who lost their lives and were injured in the boston marathon had a message to these two guys right after the photos had been released. >> to those who carried this out and anyone who would do harm to our people, yes, we will find you. and, yes you will face justice >> bill: yes, we will find you. well, they found themselves, as i pointed out. the f.b.i. on their trail but these guys took -- they realized, thankfully that the f.b.i. was closing in. and so they decided they had to get out of the area. they started by robbing the 711 shooting and killing a m.i. t. security officer and car-jacking the car and going in this car chase this morning. ed davis, who is the police commissioner for boston said this one guy on the loose. >> we believe this to be a terrorist. we believe this to be a man who has come here to kill people. we need to get him in custody. >> timothy albin followed up by warning people, again, about the lone suspect at large. >> he should be considered armed and dangerous and is a threat to anybody that might approach him. >> bill: and just this morning, just maybe about a half hour ago, the latest police briefing the head of police for the watertown area no doubt about it, these are not unrelated. these are the same two guys that planted the bombs on monday. >> we believe these are the same individuals that were responsible for the bombing on monday at the boston marathon. we believe that they are responsible for the death of an m.i. t. police officer and the shooting of an mbta police officer. this is a very serious situation that we are dealing with >> bill: it is an unfolding situation. again, we will keep on top of it with you checking in with w ht h in boston and all of our sources. some of the reporters that we have talked to throughout the week from u.s. a today who are on the scene in boston and, of course, give you a chance to comment on what's going on. if you are in that area, and we hear from amount of you in that area, around thebot area, particularly the western suburbs, the watertown area, which includes cambridge. i don't know boston well enough to know the names of the communication. >> i don't either. >> i have a nephew and his wife. bill -- will and alicia and their two songs, benjamin and, oh, my, forgetting my other little nephew's name or cousins's name who live in that area and everybody has been warned to stay indoors. >> the area that the police are telling residents to stay in is watertown, belmont, newton alston, brighton and cambridge. those areas if you are in that area of boston they are saying stay indoors. don't come outside. don't answer the door unless you can absolutely guarantee it's a police officer at the door. >> choose the charles river and of course, that's where harvard is, that entire area. your comments, 866-55-press, wherever you are in this great land of ours, particularly if you are in the boston area. by the way, then not identified by name the suspects yet. buzz it has been reported that they have some international ties, whatever that means, that they ah ve -- meaning they are not americans, i think is what that means. because they say they have been in the united states for the up to a year. we don't know in what capacity. i have heard that question asked. nobody said for sure yet whether they were students at harvard or m.i. t. or whatever on a work permit, that they may have some military experience as well. clearly, i think, what we see from theirtions so far is that these guys knew what they were doing. they were, if you will professional terrorists. there was some thought on monday from the size of the bombs and the fact that the bombs didn't do more damage that these were like amateur. >> yeah. >> home-grown. it looks like it's worse than that. they knew what they were doing, and they also had cable had carefully planned both the bombs and their attempted get away because they had ex plotsives in the car, i.e. i.e.d. s. they had multiple guns obviously. so they ah ve at a time appears to me they must have had not only the planning but the training that went ahead of the planning. all of this, of course is a developing story. we don't want to get ahead of the story. what we told you so far is just what has happened and what has been reported this morning. >> peter: i mean -- >> bill: scary stuff. if you are living in that area, you would be petrified with your kids to wake up to this. >> peter: this is terrorism. that's well-established but this is terrorism defined. there are pictures out there on twitter. we are retweeting some, getting them out there people waking up in that area now this morning, now that the sun is up or the daylight is coming around, there are military personnel on top of people's sheds, camped out with guns in their backyard. people are looking in their backyard, authorities swarming everywhere. it is a very serious situation there right now. >> bill: it's a lockdown in the boston area. one suspect is dead. one is still at large, armed and dangerous. everybody has been told to stay indoors while the police track this guy and find him. and again, there have been two reports so far that they believe they have located him in or around one building. >> that's the focus of attention so far. we will keep on top of it and get your calls and bring you up to date as we go through the morning here on the "full-court press," 866-55-press. talk to us on twitter also also, also, also, @bpshow. your comments on what's happening up in boston and on facebook, facebook.com/billpressshow, friday morning april 19th. 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[ music ] >> this is "the bill press show." >> bill: it is 33 minutes after the hour here on a friday morning, friday, april 19th. and what a morning it is. what a night it has been in the boston area. if you are just joining us recapping quickly, the two suspects in the boston marathon bombing surfaced last night, robbing a 7-11, shooting a police officer on the campus of m.i. t. then a car chase ensued ending up in the watertown area of boston of the suspects number 1, wearing the black hat, was shot and killed by authorities. suspect number 2 wearing the white hat is on the loose, considered armed and dangerous. s.w.a.t. teams are now coming the area joining us on our news line o our local progressive talk radio station and sirius sirius xm. ron agrilla is the editor of boston.com. tell us how big an area is this watertown? they are talking about the western suburbs. >> that's a pretty big area. isn't it? >> it's relatively big. boston, itself, is a relatively small city geographically with a lot of people. the watertown area is on the west side. the whole area there boston, cambridge, watertown, all of that area is on very high alert, and police describe it as a very grave and serious situation. >> bill: what are the s.w.a.t. teams doing now to make the residents safe there or to find this guy? >> right now, the authorities have told all residents to stay in their homes, keep their doors locked, do not open the door unless you are very confident it's a police officer who is at it. the mbta subway system and transportation system around boston has been shut down which is -- >> would you wow -- >> unheard of. >> apparently trying to block off all transportation routes for the suspects. >> bill: streets and highways have been closed? nobody can drive around either? >> the streets and highwaysare closed. highways farther along the proximity are open and people are traveling. but businesses in the immediate area are closed down. police are telling drivers in that area if someone approaches your car, do not open it, open your door for anyone. keep your doors locked and just keep driving. >> bill: and there were some -- i heard reports earlyier that some of the families were being evacuated. buses were being brought in to take people out of the area if they wanted to go? can you confirm that? >> i can't confirm that just yet. we are looking into it i can't confirm that myself. but this is a very fluid situation. the city as i said has effectively shut down on one side and this massive manhunt is really almost going door to door. we are watching s.w.a.t. teams and other law enforcement, following up on tips checking out residents in the area. we just don't know where this person is right now. >> bill: do we know anything more? peter, you were just mentioning if we can run, peter ogburn our producers in studio here had just had a report from pete williams, i guess, from nbc. >> pete williams from nbc is reporting that these gentlemen are legal, permanent residents. they have been in the country for at least a year. so they could possibly be from turkey or czechoslavakia or check knee czhenia. >> with the cools in the area they have been there on a student visa or who knows? >> that's very possible. : during the press briefing today, boston fwlooeings commissioner, edward davis says he believes the circulating nurse expect who was killed and probably the other suspect as well is indeed a terrorist and that they were in fact, and i quote, they believe this man to this man to be here to kill people. whether he is part of a terrorist group or not, stand by, wait until this person is captured and we will get more. i knew you follow the scanner. talking to again, ron -- i'm sorry agrella. sorry, ron. editor of boston.com. there were reports we heard earlier, too, monitoring all of this, that it seemed that there was a lot of police activity focused on one building. what can you tell us about that? do they think they know where this guy might be holed up? >> i can't say for sure. i know that they have gone to several today. they are looking at both residents and buildings within the area. although that's a relatively small geeographic area, it is highly -- it's depositionly populated. >> cambridge, i know pretty well well. it's the home of harvard and a lot of major institutions. there are many personslaces for this person to possibly go. i have to imagine with all of the police on the street it would be hard for anyone to travel, including him. but, you know, you just never know. please aren't taking any chances. number 1 is the sun is coming out. that will affect it. police weren't able to get their helicopters up and choppers to survey the area and look. so maybe as the sun comes up. >> i am sure that would help. it is cloudy today here in boston and, perhaps, that is delaying it the search a little bit. >> take us back to yesterday afternoon or even the few days since the bombing ron. i would imagine the whole city has been on edge knowing that. whoever did this was probably out there on the loose. right? >> that's true. there has been an unusual feeling in the city obviously since monday. i think the mood went from shock and horror to just sort of a determination that we are going to keep moving forward and that these people will be captured and that the city will return to normal. you know, you expect terrorism to hit the larger cities new york city, washington l.a. london. boston is a small community. it has -- it's a city of neighborhoods, and the boston marathon, obviously, it's a huge international event, which is why most people suspect that it was a target in this case, but residents here really... >> the city has pulled together. in this moment a frightening one for the city and i am sure police are getting a great deal of cooperation from residents and the police are doing an extraordinary job there. hey, ron, thank you so much for being with us this morning. we hope to check back with you a little bit later in the broadcast, and we will keep an eye on reports. i know you will, too, ron agrella is the editor of boston.com. >> we talked about pete williams saying it was chechnya or turkey where these guys are from. the ap is reporting these suspects are from the russia region near chechnya. one of them was 20 or one of them is 20. 1 is 21. we are not sure which one is deceased but 20 and 21 are the ages. ap is backing up nbc's reporting that they are from chechnya. obviouslition we will have to e see how that goes but that's two sources on that. >> what i hear you say that doesn't connect is that they were legal residents? they had only been here up to a year? how can they be legal if they have only been here a year? >> i don't know. i don't know. >> bill: maybe that means that they were here legally. >> peter: yeah >> bill: on a visa. again, developing story, the police with the entire western suburbs of boston locked down the watertown area which includes cambridge, which includes harvard square, mit that greatentire great communicatety there, locked down and s.w.a.t. teams going door to door asking people to stay indoors, only open their doors if they know it's a police officer or a squad of police officers at the door. otherwise, to stay indoors. nol businesses local open. they have been ordered to remain closed closed. all traffic -- no traffic is allowed, an the public transportation system has been entirely shut down. one suspect is dead. police on the hunt for suspect -- actually he was suspect number 2, the one wearing the white hat. on the loose and dangerous. it's the full court press. this very scary friday morning here april 19th. >> this is "the bill press show." [ music ] this is "the bill press show." >> it's now 14 minutes before the top of the hour, friday april 19th. if you are just joining us, the suspect in the bombing of the boston marathon, one suspect is dead. police are now tracking down hunting down the second suspect who is at large and considered armed and dangerous in the watertown area of boston where the two of them fled last night after robbing a 7-11 in cambridge and shooting an mit police officer and stealing a car and ending up with a police chase or getting in a please chase that ended up in the watertown area of boston. pete williams from nbc news is reporting that they are two men from chechnya. one, 20. the 21. pete williams is saying they were brothers. they have been in the country for about a year, and they may have some military training. jason sickles is breaking-news reporter for yahoo news who joins us on our news line this morning. jason, we understand you have been up all night following this. so i doubly appreciate your time. take us back to the beginning. when did you first hear what was going on? and take us from there. >> probably around 10:15 or so, i just happened to be thinking about going to bed after a long day of covering the developments yesterday. when we first got wind of a shooting, shots fired at the m. at the m.i. t. campus an alert that the campus sent out. things quickly evolved once we learned that the officer had died and the suspects who were responsible for his death. they essentially ambushed him as he was answering a call related to the 7-11 robbery. they am beneficial him, we are told, and that's when they stole the mercy with that driver still -- mercedes with the driver in the car and let him go free and took the mercedes into watertown. >> that's when the local police officers on patrol there encountered them and there was one heck of a gun battle ensued. >> bill: did they identify them right away as asuspects of the marathon bombing? >> no. it took them awhile. as a matter of fact, after i believe the suspect one, the one who is deceased. he arrived at the hospital. law enforcement officials had a hunch knowing that when the officials in watertown encountered they were officers were describing grenades and other explosives. >> bill: we heard the suspect number 1 who got out of the car wearing the black hat who was shot and killed by officers had an i.e.d. strapped to his chest. there was a lot of planning in this in their esc cape and attempt to get out of the area. >> yeah. you wonder what they were up to. >> what is going on now in the water town area? can you tell us? >> everything is on lockdown, the entire -- all of the schools and not only in watertown but about five other neighboring communities. the governor order mass transit shut down, no buses, no trains no vehicles are allowed on the streets in watertown. they are asking businesses to close and they were waiting for daylight sot that tactical officers could go building by building, house by house, and look for the suspect. they think that they've got a perimeter of around about 20 blocks in watertown where they think him closed into. that process just started probably 30 minutes ago. >> bill: well, you know, i have been to cambridge several times not just around harvard square, but out into some of the more residential areas of cambridge and visited friends there. my wife had an aunt who lived there. >> that's a big area. there is a lot of open space a lot of big back yards, a lot of parks it seems that that's a big area. you know, they have to cover inch by inch basically to find this guy. >> it is, but i think that they felt pretty con fit ent. at least what i have been hearing on the police radios overnight that they felt like, you know by 2:00 a.m. or so 3:00 a.m., that they had like i said a 20 by 20 block area where they felt like they had him confined. they are starting at least with that, that they have asked the outlying areas and, you know, schools are closed harvard is closed m.i. t. is closed today, to also just be on heightened alert. >> bill: can you tell us where that area is? is it around harvard square? is it near the campus or -- sickles. i am not familiar with the area as well. to the south. >> all right. good. final question: when they got to watertown, when this guy would have escaped out of the car, i am trying to determine: how long has he been on the loose? the end of the gunfire there, the one suspect was killed and that's the time that the guy with the white hat escapes. there was about what? midnight, would you say? >> no. it was after midnight. you know many coffees later. i am trying to think what time things happened. i would guess around 1:30, 2:00 a.m. it's about four or five hours they have been looking thatt at that 20-block area. they made a concentrated effort to the lights wait for daylight make the perimeter tight, tell everyone to stay in your homes, lock the doors and don't answer the door unless it's a police officer who koz to the door. >> what's the weather? >> cloudy, school for this area. >> cloudy because peter was asking earlier, could they get helicopters up? have you -- they could. it's a bit foggy as well. so they may have to. >> all right. jaysong, thank you so much. stay on top of it for us. i know you have been up all night. you may want to get some sleep but we may give you a call. jason sick els breaking news reporter for whyhoo. >> again, this is hamming super fasyahoo. >> again, this is hamming super fas fas. they are saying the surviving terrorist is chokar charnev. we will tweet out that name. he is 19 years old. he has a massachusetts driver's license. he is here on a green card and they are saying that he is not unfamiliar to the f.b.i. 19. 19 years old. jesus. >> bill: "full-court press." we will be right back. >> this is "the bill press show." >> "viewpoint" digs deep into the issues of the day. >> has the time finally come for real immigration reform? >> with a distinctly satirical point of view. if you believe in state's rights but still believe in the drug war you must be high. >> only on current tv. >> this is "the bill press show." >> bill: all right. in the next hour ginger gibson will join us from politico. we will hopefully get back to ron agrella again from boston.com. keep you up to date on the situation in boston. the two suspects have now been identified, one of whom is dead have now been identified as brothers. the one who is still on the loose is 19 years old. his name is dzhokhar tsarnaev. i apologize if i am mispronouncing your name. he has a massachusetts driver's license. he has been here over a year, has a student visa and is considered a legal, permanent resident of the united states. somehow that doesn't all add up. and he comes from the chechnya area of russia. manhunt underways inbot. we will do not key on top of it and keep you informed here on the "full-court press." >> this is "the bill press show." >> let me bring you up to date on the sequence of events. photos were released yesterday afternoon. they realized they had to get out of town. they needed a car to do so. they needed cash to do so. they surfaced last night robbing a 7-11 on the campus of mit, shooting an mit police officer who arrived to investigate that robbery, shot and killed him. car jacked a mercedes s.u.v. and the police started chasing them. they let the driver out, the owner of the s.u.v. out and took off for watertown with police in pursuit. they were throwing explosives out of the car during the car chase. they arrived in watertown. there was a gunfight. one suspect was shot and killed. the other is considered armed and dangerous. we will bring you up to date on all of the latest on current tv. >> broadcasting across the nation, on your radio, and on current tv >> bill: one suspect is dead. the other is still at loose -- at large, considered armed and dangerous. the tsarnaev brothers. boston, we now know them as the boston marathon bombers. good morning, everybody. friday april 19th, on the "full-court press," coming to you live all the way across this great land of ours from our studio and capital hill in washington with all eyes on boston and manhunt for that second suspect. again, in the watertown area of boston considered armed and dangerous. talking about that this morning with reporters on the scene sgich us a call if you are from that watertown area of boston. we would love to hear from you what you are doing about your family and what you have observed 866, 55 press. join us on twitter and facebook at facebook.com. ginger gibson covers national regular team peter ogburn dan henning. alicia cruz has the phones and cyprian boulding on the video cam. ginger and peter just updating here, it all started yesterday afternoon. we know they were brothers. suspect number 1 with a black hat. suspect number 2 with a white hat. they have back parks. you can see them walking through the area where all of the spectators were watching the runners, and they were walking up the sidewalk with their backpacks. other individual yes showed them placing the backpacks down. the police -- the f.b.i. released these and asked for the help of people that they regular -- if they recognized them at all. before they could get on their trail, they saw the photos. they realized they had to get out of dodge and needed cash to do so. about 10:20, they robbed a 711 on the campus of mit. a police officer arrived on the scene. they shot and killed him then they car jacked a mercedes s.u.v., let the driver out of the car and took off. police in pursuit. there were reports they werethrowing explosives grenades, out of the car as they were racing away. theyed up in watertown. we have heard that the car, they crashed the car into something. then there was a horrific gunfight with police officers. the driver of the car, suspect number 1, with the black hat got out of the car. he was shot and killed by authorities. he was wearing an ied strapped to his chest. his brother, now we know 19-year-old 19-year-old, his brother, was on the loose. that will brings us up to date. ginger gibson and now authorities trying to track him down in that area. >> we were up listening to the police scanners. they had them broadcasting online. they have been hours now chasing this guy. it's been ongoing. >> peter: it's about five hours he has been on the loose. those police scanners. >> whbh they are entering an apartment building with guns drawn and there is a reporter from the scene if we can take that audio now. >> as this situation develops. >> adam we can hear what sounds to be a police officer on a megaphone behind you. i am not sure if they were telling people to get back or what not. stoffel comfortable giving the location or with hold that? >> no. we are on nichols avenue a residential neighborhood. it was my understanding for the megahorn, that's actually directed towards us right now. i am on one side. it's around the corner. this is a residential neighborhood and i can tell you that we have been here since maybe 1:00 a.m. this morning, and this was part of that neighborhood not too far removed from where initially here in watertown, there were the explosives and the gunshots were fired. this is maybe two or three streets removed from that. and that's where i was told from a law enforcement source that in this neighborhood, there were several explosives believed to be or undetonated explosives that authorities thought may be around here so yeah, again, this is nichols avenue. and this is a residential portion of the town in the last five minutes or so this has been the most activity we have seen with certainly more than two dozen s.w.a.t. officers with their rifles out. now that you mention it, i am hearing this bullhorn although it's kind of hard for me to listen on the phone, talk and try to get a sense for what he is saming. it doesn't seem like it's overly -- it is a tension situation. it is important but we aren't being told to move back any further. and it's my understanding from the officer here, just in speaking with him that, you know, should this certainly get more tension, they would push us back and they haven't done that yet. so, you know at this point, it's more speculation, but i don't exactly feel unsafe. i feel like authorities clearly very long -- >> bill: we will continue to monitor that situation. just -- in the watertown area peter, do you have those communities again? belmont? >> peter: i had the list of the communities. >> bill: everything west of the charles river. har, harvard square mit, cambridge. >> newton, wal that may, cambridge, allston and brighton. >> they run together there. i have been in that area many times. it's shut down. residents have been asked to stay indoors. don't answer their door unless they look out and see it's clearly police officers. all businesses have been ordered not to open today. no traffic is allowed. nobody is allowed in or out of that area. no traffic allowed on the streets the buses, the subway the t, the commuter rail has been shut down. amtrak service from boston anywhere has been shut down. this entire part of the city is on lockdown as they continue to hunt for suspect number 2, the one wearing the white hat. his brother, who was 20 or 21, is dead, and this clearly ginger these guys knew what they were doing. there was a lot of planning that went into this event and a lot of planning into their escape. >> they were in some way prepared, that there were more explosives on them, they were heavily armed and you saw the white hat. he is now in a green hoodie. he is wearing a green hoodie from the 711 that the police released, circulating on twitter, and so seems to have been prepared to keep going and get away. >> what we know about him, he is a legal resident. he came here on student visa i guess. i am not sure how he can be a legal resident but he lived in champ bridge. they lived in cambridge. the one who is at large again is 19 years old. he has a massachusetts driver's license. and he and his brother are from chechnya. so who knows what the motivation was or what the message was or where they were trained. >> seems very early for speculating. we don't know where they came from, where they were trained, if they had backing, if they were operating by themselves. at this point action we know very little. lots of people googling these guys' names and, you know, turns out it's not a particularly uncommon last name. >> is that right? tsarnaev. >> i don't know any tsarnaevs. >> from a town in chechnya. >> what was his brother's name? do we know? >> i have not seen that. >> pete williams identified it first from nbc news identified them as brothers. now the name is out there. in fact, i just heard one reporter say he was born, this one at loose, on july 22nd, 1993. >> he has the sources. whatever pete williams says you can believe. >> when he goes on air. >> unlike john king. >> on twitter, when he goes on air, like the twitter feed he is on air. change the channel real quick. >> talking. >> everybody shut up and pay attention to what pete williams is saying. >> that's been the morning yeah. >> i am reminded of the oklahoma bombing with timothy mcveigh, not taking anything away from law enforcement authorities but they didn't track timothy mcveigh and find him. he got stopped on a routine traffic stop which was a lucky break. here, too, the f.b.i. had not tracked these guys down where they lived and gone in and found them. it was their actions that brought the attention of police. so i guess that maybe that often happens in investigations like this. >> this morning, you know, 12:45, this started bubbling up on the internet, the cable networks weren't on air. they broke into the re-runs. i was watching television at 1:15 this morning and started going on air. at that point, nobody knew. are these related, not related the there was probably a few hours when no one was sure. they said, there was a police officer killed. is this response because an officer kilted often draws a big please response. it became clear as the f.b.i. showed up and there was way more responses that that was what was going on. >> bill: once they started throwing explosives outed of the car and once they got to watertown and they were returning fire, the cops and the guys, the ied's, they spent 10 minutes trying to revive him. they they knew these are the same two guys. it's just a matter of time before they find this guy in watertown, it seems. so from monday through friday hell for boston but it may be over within the next couple of hours here. 86655-press and on twitter. >> peter: to back up while we are waiting for more news to come out. the president yesterday when he spoke showed the president at his very best, some of the stuff he had to say at the service. >> the president was -- i think he really captured the spirit of the moment and the spirit of the city. dan, let's first of all, he had a word. he had a word for the suspects, and the f.b.i. had either just or was just about to release their photos when the president said make no mistake. president obama: make no mistake orto anyone who will do harm to our people: yes, we will find you. yes, you will face justice. >> the president went on to say, referring, of course, tots marathon, that this is not over and they are not going to stop us. president obama: we will pick ourselves up. we will keep going. we will finish the race. [applause.] >> bill: then what the people of boston and runners everywhere wanted to hear, the president saying, you just wait until next year. peachtree when the socks and patriots are heroes again, the crowds will watch a pair aid go down boylston street and on the third monday in april, the world will return to this great american city to run harder than ever, and to cheer even louder for that 118th boston marathon. >> bill: yes, indeed. again, one suspect dead. the other, at large. police on the hunt in the watertown area of boston. ginger gibson is here from politico with the rest of the "full-court press" team. we will be right back. take your calls at 866-55-press. >> this is "the bill press show." date, staying in touch with everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. in reality it's not like they actually care. this is purely about political grandstanding. alright, in 15 minutes we're going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that 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for the death of an mri police officer and a sharing of the mit police officer. this is a very serious situation we are dealing with >> bill: ginger gibson joins us in studio. and you look pretty good for being up all night monitoring this news. >> thanks. >> unfortunately, i was not. >> once you get into it. right now, there is sort of a lull. police are going door to door, and there is a lot of activity focused on one particular apartment building we were told on nichols avenue in the entire area. we will continue to monitor that. ginger, people, there was one other thing that happened this week and people made a connection with boston. it turns out there was no boston connection. these are the ricin-laced letters. who is this guy? >> there is a man, curtis. he goes by kevin curtis in tupelo, mississippi. >> kc. >> there was a lot of speculation that these ricin letters sent to the senator, obama. we were told by senators who have been briefed by the fbi that there wasn't enough information earlier this week, but it would appear now absolutely not related. this was a man they would to be sort of mentally disturbed in mississippi, had been an elvis em person ateim /* impersonator. >> which is the definition of mentally disturbed. >> convinced of this come perspiracy theory, that he had unearthed at a hospital where he was cleaning and had been obsessed with that. that seems to be what motivated him in his version of reality. >> bill: the way mail is handled, it does not go directly to senate or house office buildings. it does not go directly to the white house. it goes to screening centers outside of washington. so the idea that he could time -- mail a letter in memphis? >> or through memphis, right. >> it would get here on the same day as the boston marathon bombings was absurd. >> it takes a long time because of that. >> post anthrax they test batches of mail to make sure they are safe. two scares, they shut down parts of capital buildings on wednesday, concerned about these letters. probably fueled by the boston marathon. >> fueled by fears there and memories of the an anthrax letters which were never resolved as far as i know. right? >> talking about cypro after being exposed today an anthrax. >> mr. gibson from politico. good to have you with us. we will continue to monitor the situation and bring you up to date here on the "full-court press." >> this is the full court press. >> >> if you believe in state's rights but still support the drug war you must be high. >> "viewpoint" digs deep into the issues of the day. >> do you think that there is any chance we'll see this president even say the words "carbon tax"? >> with an open mind... >> has the time finally come for real immigration reform? >> ...and a distinctly satirical point of view. >> but you mentioned "great leadership" so i want to talk about donald rumsfeld. >> (laughter). >> watch the show. >> only on current tv. . >> radio meets television, "the bill press show." now on current tv. >> bill: 33 minutes after the hour. it is friday april. there is one story of the moment. >> that's the manhunt underway in the boston area, in the watertown area of boston to be precise for suspect number 2 in the boston marathon bombing. good morning, everybody. thank you for joining us. and stay with us and as question monitor the situation in boston and bring you up to date, here, peter ogburn, dan henning, alicia cruz and cyprian boulding, our entire team, with our eyes and ears on boston. quickly if you are just joining us, bringing you up to date. it was about 10 hours -- 14 hours ago actually that the f.b.i. released the photos of the two suspects in the boston marathon bombing. it turns out they are brothers. one wearing the black hat, suspect number 1. suspect number 2 wearing the white hat. both carrying back parks. the police put the photos out asked the help theof the public in identifying them. before the f.b.i. could track them down, they realized they had to get out of dodge. they needed a car, and they needed money. they went looking for both on the campus ofmit. 10:20, they robbed a 711. a police officer responded to that call and was shot and killed by these two men who then hijacked hijacked a mercedes s.u.v. they let the driver out and they took off. police in pursuit. he can changing gunfire throwing explosives out of the car as they raced away. they crashed into another vehicle or somehow crashed as they got into the watertown area. there was gunfire there. suspect number 1, black hat, gets out of the car. he is shot and killed by authorities. his body was run over by a police vehicle. he had an i.e.d. strapped to his chest which did not explode. his brother, 19-year-old, white hat escaped. that was about 1:30 this morning. the police have been searching for him ever since. now that daylight has come up they may have the better chance of getting him. and they have confined the search to still a big area, the watertown area of boston which is in shutdown. it is locked down. the police officers have asked everybody to stay indoors. don't answer the door. stay indoored. don't even venture outside. don't venture into the backyard. swat.w.a.t. teams are going house by house by house through that neighborhood looking for this suspect. no vehicular traffic is allowed on the streets of the wear town area although suburbs west of the charles river, there is no public transit, no bus, no, sirtrolly, no train, no subway and amtrak has shut down all service in and out of boston. businesses in the area have been told not to open their doors. what we know about the two suspects is they are brothers, they come from chechnya. they are legal resident did. they have been here apparently living in cambridge for over a year. again, one brother, the black hat. the older one is dead. the one on the loose is 19 years old. we have been checking in, and we will go back this morning to the coverage at w ht h. this is the nbcai fill "in the boston." let's check up with their live coverage. >> right on -- his home faces the street where much of the gunfire and explosions happen. what he describes is it's quite harrowing. he says that it was cars by the time he looked out he heard gunfeinfire and explosions and saw two men. they took cover behind a black s.u.v., and he said that there were supplies that these men were bretting out of another green car. he have describes these two men shooting constantly and over and over again at the police that were in front of them and ever so often filling devices that they would throw at these police officers. just constantly filling some type of -- creating some kind of explosive device throwing it at the officers while continuing with gunfire. he said at one point, you saw one of the men with a pressure-cooker-like device and threw it, lit it somehow, threw it at the police officers. it created this huge smoke, ball of smoke that covered the entire street here on laurel street and he said at that point, that particular suspect went up to police and continued opening fire and shooting as he walked toward the police officer. suspect at that point hopped into the black s.u.v., made a u-turn on laurel street and bareliedy barrelled through the barricade and that's how the black s.u.v. ended up in another place and not here on laurel street. he said that's how the second suspect must have gotten away. he describes it as just a harrowing scene that ever so often, he would look out his window and that's what he would continue to see is just begunfire and this pressure cooker-looking device being chucked over police as one of the suspects walked with a handgun and continued opening fire at police as the second suspect in the black s.u.v. made a u-turn and drove straight at police, barrelling through their police cars and driving a bit. >> all right. susan, thank you so much giving us some insight into what's going on here. >> coverage from w ht h, channel 7 in boston. >> that very scene is playing out, a troubling scene. a lot of people moving out of their houses, getting out of their houses as police go in and sweep them up. let's get out to steve cooper now, joining us coop, you gave us a lot of information and broke a big chunk of the story early this morning. anything new for us? >> well, reed, in a short time from now there will be another briefing here at the watertown mall which is where we -- this has become the staging area. i have just been told that we are awaiting rival with the governor. the governor will be here for the next news briefing. again, he will be joined by currently albin. >> until about half an hour ago, we were told they had focused their activity, a lot of activity on one apartment building in the -- on nichols avenue where they believe the suspect might have been holed up. there were some 20 s.w.a.t. team members who with guns drawn were approaching that building. haven't heard anything from there, peter. so that might have been a false alarm. >> it may be. i haven't seen anything from out of there. i am starting to sound like a broken record at this point. >> yeah. >> pete williams has some new information. >> the go-to geothis. >> reporting that the brothers came to the united states in 2002 or 2003. the other brothers' names. >> 2002? >> 2002 or 2003. >> they were sailing earlier that they have been here a year. they have been here 10 years? >> this is what pete williams is saying this morning. >> take it to the bank. when they say permanent legal resident. >> they came here when they were 10 years old. >> yeah. >> something like that. so 2002, 2003, the other brother, the deceased brother is tamarian. he is the man that was shot down today. he also says -- >> tamarian. >> tamarian is the brother's name that is dead. >> pete williams also reported they said that the brother who had been shot was run over. he was actually run over by his brother, trying to get away. so, it wasn't a police car that ran over him. >> that's the latest right now from what we are seeing. >> and we have heard that before, so one brother jumps out of the car, shot and killed by police. the other brother gets in the driver's seat because i understand the other brother was driving. at any rate back in the s.u.v., turns it around as we just heard the reporter telling us all of that happened at one of:30 this morning. so we are six hours that he has been on the loose, armed and dangerous. the police officers warning everybody, this is a terrorist. he came here to kill. he has killed. he will continue to if he has the opportunity. >> that's why it is so dangerous and s.w.a.t. teams going again door to door. if you want to join us your comments particularly if you are in that area and are in a place and at a time when you could call and tell us what's going on, what you see what you have heard, what you have experienced. 866-55-press. or online on twitter @bpshow. we will be right back. >> this is "the bill 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(vo) only on current tv. >> this is "the bill press show." >> thirteen minutes now before the top of the hour, the latest from boston. bob kusak, the managing editor of the hill will join us to monitor the situation as a friend of bill. the latest in the boston as the manhunt continues for the 19-year-old brother who is still on the loose. we have learned during the break one of the brothers was born in russia. the other was born in khirzstan. they have been in this country since maybe 2002, 2003. they are permanent legal residents. they live in cambridge. one of them got a scholarship. and meanwhile, in boston, all public schools have been cancelled. classes cancelled today as we mentioned earlier, all public transit is shut down until further notice. the situation, unheard of in boston and the classes have been cancelled at every university in the western watertown or western area of boston through the western suburbs. that includes harvard. that includesmit. that includes boston colleges and other colleges i don't even know about. >> that's sort of a learning center. we are waiting governor deval patrick who will join a news briefing there in the next probably 10 or 15 minutes sorry. got it. we have been monitoring the local ht w ht h. >> some of the images am coming out amazing now nat sun has been up people are dessends okay this area, looking for this guy who has been missing for almost six hours now. almost six hours? >> a little more. if it was 1:30. yeah. yeah. almost six and a half. >> and let's go back and learn what we can from channel 7 in boston. >> sorry. >> having problems. >> looks like there is an issue with the feed. >> bill: all right. we can reset the feed. >> but it has been an amazing sequence of events starting at about, again 10:20 last night. >> the brothers recognize even before the could -- i mean if they have been -- they have been here a long time. somebody, they are living in cambridge. somebody is going to recognize them. they knew this. they knew they had to get out of dodge. they knew they needed a car, which they obviously didn't have and they knew they needed cash, which they didn't have. they had weapons and that was all planned. they went out undercover of darkness to start this that's where they got the attention of authorities byro robbing this 7-11. conflicting reports that the police officer was responding or they just ambushed him in his car. it sounds like the ladtter. they see this guy sitting in the car, shot and killed him. then hijacked this s.u.v. mercedes and that's when the police chase started. >> it is remarkable to see how the authorities handle this because yesterday afternoon, when they showed these pictures of these men, they had some very clear pictures of who these guys were. that set up set off alarms with these guys. they realized they needed to get out of there. i have never seen anything quite like that where they were crowd sourcing people. the authorities, as people were leaving boston at the airport, the authorities were at the airport, and they were asking them, were you at the mayor ton? did you take any pictures? any video? and they compiled this all of this data that showed these guys. and i think one of the eeriest pictures and we will tweet it because you see one of the bombers with the white hat directly behind the 8-year-old boy that was killed and they were right there. they were right there. someone got it on camera which is important. and that iconic photo, bloomberg broke the story last night, the iconic photo of the man lost his legs being helped away by the man with the cowboy hat, he was heavily drugged up when he went to the hospital. when he woke up he immediately looked for a pen and paper and wrote down bag, man feet. he had seen the guy. he made eye contact with one of these be -- one of these bombers, saw the bag put down just a few feet in front of him and realized after the fact that that was the guy that had done it. he helped -- that man helped i.d. the bombers. incredible. >> what i thought was so chilling was the f.b.i.'s website shut down yesterday. people like me that went there, tried to get there right away as soon as they were released to get a closer look and to really study their faces. but what i thought was so chilling with the video was the two of them walking up the street and the sidewalk where they were walking was almost empty because all of the people were pressed up against the barrier there, the next watching the runners, not paying any attention to what was in back of them. i kept thinking of that we hear it in the subway that little phrase, see something, say something. see something. say something. this was the casey. you see the guy put the backpack down. not being critical. just in the excitement of that moment, you know people were -- runners coming from, there for the marathon and they didn't see that as a possible -- nobody did. >> especially at events like this where basically all of the athletes have a backpack. >> yeah. a lot of people there for the day, sandwiches drinks or whatever and little back parks, which was a bigger backpack but all eyes on boston and the hunt for suspect number 2, still at large, armed and dangerous in the watertown area. on the "full-court press" this friday. >> this is the bill press current tv is the place for true stories. with award winning documentaries that take you inside the headlines. real, gripping, current. documentaries... on current tv. 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broadcasting across the nation, on your radio, and on current tv. this is the bill press show. >> one suspect dead and the other at large armed and dangerous in the watertown area of boston which is locked down at the moment. good morning everybody. here we are. it is friday april 19th. this is the full court press coming to you live on your local progressive talk radio station and on current tv and keeping on top of the situation up in boston. the entire team here this morning. you know who they are and we are joined, also, by a good friend as a friend of bill this hour. bob kusak, managing editor of "the hill"? >> good morning. >> been up all night? >> i tell, it's been early morning. we will never forget what's going on right now. a very scary situation. >> it's been going on since 10:20 last night. we will bring you up to date. first, governor deval patrick and law enforcement officials just ended a brief news conference up in boston. here is what it sounded like. >> we've got every asset that we can possibly muster on the ground right now. they are doing a terrific job and working in concert with each other. we are going to need the public to help us help them stay safe. >> thank you governor. as the governor said this is a rapidly developing situation. within the last half hour we received information that i have communicated to may the mayor. he has asked me to come here and to tell you that the shelter in place recommendation has been extended throughout the city of bostt. there is a lot of information coming in. we are working very closely with federal authorities in washington. we are examining all data basis. all potential leads and there are officers moving around the city right now. police be patient with us. work with us. if you see anything suspicious let us know. we are trying to make this safe as quickly as possible. this is an ongoing situation. i want to stress this. this is an all ongoing situation. >> timothy alvin. first i want to start by saying thank you to each and every one of you. you have gotten the message to the neighborhood. i have to scurto continue to do that. our number one prior to right now with these neighborhoods here in watertown and making them safe and finding this individual. >> that's what we are committed to. we need more time. we are making significance pro progress up there. it may takes hours to do this. please bear with us. i know there are a lot of questions and we will have plenty of time to address those after this. but for right now, this is about public safety. this is about the watertown neighborhood. please give us that leadway. we will be back shortly. thank you. >> bill: the reporters we have talked to from boston early in the program told us they have never seen anything like this. an entire community. there are a lot of little suburbs flu west of the charles river, starting with cambridge, entire harvard square har arrested area mit, all of that shut down, all of the other communities, peter. you have mentioned a couple of times the suburbs there. >> peter: yeah. >> they are like like little neighborhoods, a collection of neighborhoods, all shut down. people have been told to stay in their homes. don't dare leave your house. don't let anybody in unless you can see they are clearly police officers. businesses have been told, stay closed. don't open. no traffic. no car traffic no truck traffic allowed at all in that area. nobody is allowed in or out of the area. the mbta has been shut down entirely. all buses, all commuter trains the t, the subway amtrak has shut down. all service in and out of boston. they are determined they are going to find this guy. he is in the watertown area the one brother still alive. >> the governor is now saying what he said. all of boston there were some specific neighborhoods they thought that this suspect could be belmot allston-brighton. a shotout to done griffith you can find him on twitter twitter @rsnforlife. he has been giving us updates, helping us out with a lot of stuff. we appreciate the help there again, the governor saying all much boston stay indoors. this guy has been on the run for several hours now and until they find them, i imagine boston will be on lockdown >> bill: this all started clearly when the f.b.i. released these photos, the two brothers realized, somebody's going to spot us. somebody is going to know who we are. we better get out of town. it was their actions that brought the attention of authorities. >> yeah. number 1, i think the police and the have done a phenomenal job. it looked like maybe the trail had gotten cold. they usually don't like to do this. they made the decision, let's release these photos. this is an unpress dented event. unprecedented we have a man habitue with things like twitter. twitter. you knew that these guys once they had ided them or they would panic. now we have this situation. it has to be so scary that if you are a family getting coffee ready and you can't leave the house. it has to be scary. >> or you look out the window and you see, you know, a s.w.a.t. team or a tank guys with the guns out, you know, pat troing up and down the street somebody took a photo because a bullet had gone through their house. we are learning from things both from authorities and every day citizens. >> one of the most chilling things i heard was the interview this morning with gun guy who looked out the window. this was when the brothers had just moved, come into watertown, the police were chasing them. at the end of the car chase, and he looks out and he sees these two guys duck down behind this black s.u.v. in a fire fight with cops up the street and not only firing back but throwing explosives and throwing, you know, they lit one device. it looked like another pressure cooker device. it went off, at least filled the street with smoke, gave them, you know an escape hatch. >> that's when the police shot and killed one and the other brothers jumps in the car, turns it around and goes barrelling toward the police with the s.u.v. which is how he got by them and escaped. it's just incred ill. >> there have been reports that these guys and the guy on the loose have military background. that looks to be the case. these are not occurred criminals. >> no? >> remarkable. the fact that they have expanded it to all of boston. >> that's a big development because it obviously doesn't look line they know where this guy is. >> make sure he did not get out of that area. that was about 1:30 this morning. the whole thing started to repeat -- recapping for a lot of people just joining us, to recap the series of events. the crime spree started when they were held up and robbed a 7-11 on the campus ofmit. they left there. they ambushed mit. they left there. they ambushed. they ambushed a police officer sitting in his car not even coming after them. they shot and killed him. they highjacked a black mercedes s.u.v. the driver in it, they let the driver go. >> very surprising. >> they take off. by this time, the police are in pursuit. there is a car chase that ensues with gunfire, back and forth. i have heard that they were even throwing explosives out of the car at that time toward the police officers who were pursuing them. and then they end up in watertown, which is this gunfight ta talked about and one brother killed. he was run over. peter, you said he was run over by his -- >> by his brother. >> the car. >> right. >> and he had an i.e.d. on him. >> the brother who was killed had an i.e.d. strapped to his chest. the one brother, the white hat, suspect number 2, escaped. he is theat large. they have identified him, calling him a terrorist. he is armed and dangerous. he came here to kill people. he is somewhere in the boston area. >> can you imagine what the 30-mint or so ride was for that person in the black s.u.v. >> god. >> that person -- >> i wonder -- >> they said that -- they identifiedthems as the people that they were looking for, the police were looking for. the person in the car knew that these were the suspects. >> that person, whoever that is obviously, is going to be interviewed extensively but that person had to be thinking, there is no way i am going to be getting a lot out of this situation. >> no. i am gone. >> right. >> what we know about the two is they are brothers. we know one of them some day we will all know, dzhokhar dzhokhar-z-h-o-k-h-a-r d-z-h-o-k-h-a-r, dzhokhar tsarnaev. he is 19 years old. his brother -- tamarlin. >> tamarlin tsarnaev. they come from the chechnyan region. they have been here since 2002, 2003. most of this comes from pete williams from nbc the go-to geothis. they have been here that long on. they have a massachusetts driver's license. so. >> of course the big question is: why? why did they do this? were there any ties internationally or otherwise? who are their other accomplices? >> a big question because usually, you know, you find out they want something. they want prisoners released. we haven't gotten any of that information yet. >> no. but the authorities are on it. every possible -- -- pardon me every possible resource has been sentence into that area and residents have been advised in fact, ordered to stay indoors. i don't think it's possible to leave your home anyhow. i think if you left your home right now, if you tried to get out, you would have a cop at your doorstep. >> that's right. that's right. it's something where you really hope and pray that there are no more faulttalities. this person seems like one of the most extremely dangerous persons. the fact that he was able to get away from authorities. >> with that manhunt, that gunfire and that gun fight. also, all public schools in boston have been clothes. all public schools closed and campuses are closed. the whole shooting match. >> a couple of things to add, it looks like the age of the deceased terrorist is being sort of adjusted to say he might actually be older. he might be 26. waiting to confirm that. pete williams earlier said -- whatever pete says goes. this is just now happening. @massgovernor. he tweeted out all mbta service remains suspended until further notice, asking people to shelter in place and stay indoors. don't open the door for anyone except identified law enforcement officers. we need the public to help us help them stay safe and he tweeted this as i was talking. all in watertown, came bridge wal that may newton, belmo. nt allston and brighton should stay indoors. the whole city. >> all of those. >> shutting it down shut down. they are stopping cab service. i don't know how that would work and if that's 100% true. there are rumors these guys are using cabs. >> i wonder if they will shut logan airport next. i haven't heard that next. you think that would be hard. >> confirmed, boston police are saying all taxi service in boston suspended as the city shuts down. they are shutting boston down. >> it's tough because earlier in the day and people are not up. there are some people who don't turn on the television when they get up and go about their business and. >> we hate them. we hate people like that. >> far and few between. this is going to be a challenge and a crazy week with the ricin. >> exactly. >> that appears to be resolved. hopefully this will be resolved too. >> bill: this morning when they announced as we were starting the show, when they announced they were shutting down the transit system until further notice, the other thing they told people, don't leave your home, to try to get the bus because you won't be able to get it or the t or whatever but also, if you had left and you are there at the statement, go home. don't wait at the station for service to resume because the last thing they want is a crowd anywhere, particularly well a guy like this on the loose. right? so boston, a ghost town except for the swat teams and police officers out on the search for suspect number 2. it's the full court press. a very scary 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(vo) no one brings you more documentaries that are real, gripping, current. >> this is the bill press show >> bill: events have moved swiftly in the boston marathon bombing situation from the release of the photos yesterday afternoon, about 5:00 o'clock to the situation today where the entire city, if you can believe it, the entire city of boston has been locked down. nobody allowed to leave their home or their place of business. businesses not allowed to open. cab service shut down the entire transportation shut down the streets shut down no vehicular traffic, with one suspect dead and the other suspect still at large. police officers do not know where he is. they think he is located or holed up in the watertown area of boston, but they are not sure of that. bob studio is a friend of bill. we were talking about logan airport before the break. >> an update. logan airport is still open. they are operating under heightened security. there are some flight restrictions regarding flight paths trying to keep heightened security. we did confirm the taxi service in boston has been shut down. the mbta has been shut down. boston is on a total lockdown. it's kind of weird to think about the fact that the president was just there yesterday afternoon and now the entire city is completely on lockdown. >> i wonder about the weather. we should try to check that. earlier, bob, we were told they weren't able to get the police helicopters up because of fog cover and low cloud cover. which might help, were they able to to over those neighborhoods? >> that's right. >> what they need is a drone. >> it was a clear day. >> all right. but no, with the airport you can't get to the airport. you would not be able to get to the airport from what we heard. chris geithner good friend from buzz feed has been monitoring this situation ass have -- as have many reporters. good morning, chris. >> good morning. >> yeah. >> all nighter. chris, tell us if you can -- i know your latest report is on who these two guys, who the brothers are. what do we know about them? >> what we know about them is still developing but that the brother who remains at large is 20 years old and has been in the country for it rooks like at least a decade. he was a winter all-star wrestler in 2011 at cambridge latin school, had gotten a $2,5002500 scholarship from the city of cambridge for his college higher education studies. he's a registered voter, was a part of the cambridge community. >> this was the younger one? >> yeah. >> his brother, tamerlin 26. so they came here from chechnya. is that rit? do we know? >> yeah. we don't know exactly. we know that there is a connection to the area, that they are from somewhere in that area and on a russian facebook page. i don't know how to say it. tkoncape. the groups that he is in is shishen. >> bill: do they have family in the area? >> we do not know any of that yet. >> as of yet? i think probably by later today i would imagine the f.b.i. would have nailed -- tracked these guys down. >> they didn't have to track them down. it's been a lot of pete williams all morning. i have more pete williams. he reports officials think they know where this suspect in the white hat is holed up. they think they have located him. he also says that there may be a third person of interest in this now. there is definitely something going on boston right now. some outlets report that they smell smoke in the area. cnn just had a reporter on the scene and was reporting from where there is a lot of police activity and a police officer came up and told her to get out of the area and they are trying to reestablish a shot and police are sort of swarming around that cameraman. something is going on right now. i am not sure what it is. we will you know. >> is this the same office apartment complex? >> this is a different complex than the one they were looking at earlier. >> chris, you know, i was seeing something, but i haven't been able to watch. are there any videos on youtube of these guys? i had seen something of twitter. does that provide any clues of who these guys are? >> yes. there is actually haven't been able to get into the videos yet. the one and only scott lamb at buzzfeed feed has looked at the videos, and notes that they do focus on islam, and it is -- criticizes others' views of islam and has, like, other videos and talks about how he accepted islam. >> yeah. >> just a mystery, developing story, unbelievable. >> they have to get this guy. >> the youtube account is from tamerlin, who was the brother who was killed in the fire fight last night. >> chris thanks for taking some time for us this morning my friend. we will talk to you again, soon. chris guide ner with buzzfeed at the buzzfeed.com. damage, you have been monitoring wcvb and they reported from abc news, pierre thomas saying suspect number 2 may be trying to take hostages in this building that he is potentially holed up in. >> that's the latest. join the feed if we want. they have been talking to people who knew these suspects and getting reaction about what they think. >> the f.a.a. as we see here, ordering a no-fly zone over the city. let's check in again. >> when look at the high school photo, you go how did this person get this far off course, you know, looks nice a nice kid. good friends with a number of people. when you look at his picture you go, how does it happen? >> jim we are on a little bit of a delay but the people being evacuated and we have seen a lot of families. >> is there a place, a bus they are getting on? where is their safe place that they are being evacuated from their home? >> you know, we are seeing a lot of people just walk the cars. there is one gentleman across the street loading his car with blank et cetera, but we have not seen any large scale way of transporting them from the scene. we have certainly not seen that. we have seen people walking down the street to other vehicles. i am trying to take a look down the street. i am not seeing anything that would -- anything out of the ordinary. >> you have to wonder. they are being advised not to the obvious streets. you have to feel for these families now. >> in the immediate area. friends, family. there is some which is understandable with an event like this. being through the riots in los angeles, i can remember the confusion among people, you know, living in the community. you don't know what to do. and looks like the police helicopters are up now at this point. but some people have been told to stay in their homes and yet some people are being allowed. i don't know how they are getting out if vehicular traffic is not allowed. it's a confusing situation. >> that's pretty brave when you are flying that helicopter because you don't know that this guy is not the going to try to shoot you down. >> that would be one way of giving away his location. >> it's very interesting that they let one guy go. maybe that was not a good time for them to take hostages now the fear is he is trying to take hostages? >> it looks like right now they think that they know where this guy in the white hat, the other suspect is. there are a lot of police around one house in watertown now lots of guns drawn. there is definitely something happening right now. >> i am not sure exactly what it is. but as it happens, we will let you know. >> bill: again the full court press, friday morning. stay with us for the latest in this unfolding manhunt and crime scene up in boston massachusetts. the whole city in lockdown this morning. >> this is "the bill press show." 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[ music ] >> radio meets television "the bill press show," now, on current tv. >> bill: thirteen minutes before the top of the hour, team press here on the full court press with the presence and assistance of bob cusack from "thehill.com: we could be talking about the immigration bill, the failure of the gun safety legislation. and but all of the attention, of course, is on boston this morning, and this developing story. it's only a matter of time before they get this guy find this guy dead or alive. and the one remaining brother, one of the marathon bombers, dzhokhar tsarnaev, a resident of cambridge. the latest we heard just before the break is that the police believe -- peter it sounds like, right? that they believe they have got him? >> they are saying that they believe they know where he is. >>. >> one apartment complex building, and they are focusing on that and zeroing in on that. >> yeah. >> the rumors he might be trying to take hostages there. >> members of congress this week, they were distracted. they went to -- definitely haul a gun debate you had immigration bill but they were all getting, you know, the intelligence committee guys and others were getting briefed on this because that's where their focus was. they wanted to know like everybody else, what is going on? >> our focus has been there this morning. we have been monitoring wcvb which is the abc affiliate in boston. at last we checked, they were talking to a woman who lives in this neighborhood where the police activity is underway right now. >> to stay inside and call 911 if you see anything suspicious. >> you have belmont and cambridge and brighton but really all of the city of boston being impacted right now and newton as well. >> there is no where to go. cab service has been shut down, t service has been completely suspended. all they want to do right now is to apprehend the second marathon bomber who is out there, the suspect who has brought terror to our city since monday afternoon and has continued on the violent path there killing an mit police officer, critically injurying an mbta officer in the overnight hours. this is the scene unfolding. it is growing on norfolk street in cambridge where we now know the two suspects, brothers from cambridge grew up, lived among the community there. >> we are learning more details about these two individuals. john atwater has recently been talking to aus expect number 2. guidance counselor. john? >> the high school guidance counselor of this suspect -- pardon me. i am just arriving here we are trying to get through here, dealing with a lot of police officers, just hanging out. a police officer asking who we are, where we are going. >> where are you john right now? >> on mount auburn in the area right now, and we were in sort of a protected area where police officers are looking. it was just unsafe. we derived a little bit of insight into this second suspect, 2011 graduate from cambridge latin of the she was meeting with him junior and senior year, talking about college plants umass, amherst. those were his attentions. he was a goofy fun-loving guy, kind of quirky. she mentioned he had been there all four years. wrestled, on the volleyball team and she said that he did really well in school. now, this was his guidance counselor. didn't know the brother at all. mentioned that he was a bit older. she turned on the news this morning and continue believe it. she said this is not the kid i know. dzhokhar, this is not the kid i know. she has been crying all morning, can't believe this because she spent a good amount of time with him. >> that's what we are hearing for the guidance counselor for the young suspect still at large, dzhokhar tsarnaev. this can't be the kid? it is the kid. >> unbelievable that they were apparently in the united states for a decade, had no arrest record. okay? >> bill: they were saying they appeared to have some military training. >> clearly, they planned this. not only did they have the bombs go off at the marathon but other explosive did i haveevices they used last night. >> bill: the speculation that because these bombs were not bigger pomades and didn't do more damage and didn't kill more people that these were just a couple of home-grown amateurs who decided at the last minute to whip something together. no. these guys put a lot of planning into this. >> yes. is it just these two guys, these two brothers who had this crazy idea, or were they working with anybody, with any government? >> the brother who was killed had an i.e.d. strapped to his chest, and authorities have said that they expect that the last remaining at-large suspect is wearing a suicide vest as well. >> that's why he is still considered armed and very very dangerous. shutting down the entire city of boston to back up here on the "full-court press" on this friday morning. this is "the bill press show." 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were two shooters in between a sedan and a black mercedes benz suv and they were in between these two cars taking cover behind the black suv shooting down our street which is laurel street and they were shooting westward towards what looked to be about six to ten watertown police department vehicles. and they were shooting about what seemed to be 70, 80 yards down the street utilizing handguns. while they were engaging in gunfire, they were also using explosives. what seemed to be maybe grenades that they were throwing towards the officers. and the gunfire took place for a few minutes while they were utilizie inine ining explosives. they used what seemed to be a larger bomb. from my view, from my bedroom window on the third floor of our building, it was about -- i was about 35, 40 feet away and it looked to resemble a pressure cooker. what i've seen from other pictures online in the last few days. and they -- i saw them light this bomb and the picture that you're showing me right now was the site where the explosion was. and they lit it and that would be the bomb squad inspecting the site. but they threw it towards the officers and only got maybe 15 to 20 yards down. it wasn't very close to the officers. but it really created a significant decoy. and smoke got covered on the entire street. and at that point, one of the shooters ran towards the officers while still engaging in gunfire. and while he was still shooting at them a few seconds later, the second shooter got back into the suv and turned it around and went full speed into the police officers. just before he started charging at the officers and the vehicle, the first shooter that was running at them was taken down. and i didn't have a clear view. i couldn't tell whether he was shot or tackled, you know, the footage makes it seem like he was shot, but i couldn't see clearly. at that time, the second shooter was basically charging into the officers' vehicles at full speed. and went right in between them taking out their doors and windows and sideswiping them and getting through them and moving past our block and out of my view. >> and you mentioned earlier when we spoke, you saw what looked like a bomb detection robot on the scene. is that piece of equipment still there? >> actually, if you hold on one sec, i can look out that window. >> we would love to see the scene as you're seeing it in your home there. >> yeah, i can. it is actually right there still at the vehicle. and i'm going to walk my computer here. >> while you do that, let me explain what we're seeing, andrew is an eyewitness, his apartment overlooks the street where these explosions took place. he's going to try to show us a little bit of what he's seeing. is that the vehicle they were using for cover during that fire fight? >> yes, this was the smaller sedan. >> can you open your window? >> you know what? the bomb squad robot is there, i don't feel comfortable doing that. >> we want you to be safe. continue. >> so it is right now inspecting the backseat -- what it seems like the back left passenger door. and i just took some pictures and put them -- put one picture on twitter of the robot which is at aktiz. and right now it's inspecting the other side of the car. the car has been completely untouched. right next to the car, there are a few backpacks. and that's what looked like the shooters were carrying ammunition, explosives. and those backpacks are still on the ground next to the sedan. they have been untouched right now. seems like officers and the bomb squad are proceeding very cautiously in in facting the vehicle. >> well, you seem from the view we saw from your window, you're very close to that car and everything that's taking place. have you heard anything from law enforcement to you and other residents in the area about evacuating and staying toward the front of the building? >> yeah, we had. what seemed to be army personnel and knocked on our door, told us to lock up the doors, go to the back of the house and don't come out and stay low. >> is that where you are? you seem close to the activity. >> right now, we -- i'm with a few of my roommates here, and we're in the living room. kind of watching what's being televised so i can stay on skype with you. >> and you posted photos on twitter and you said your twitter handle is akitz. and you said you just posted a photo of the bomb robot. and earlier this evening, you posted some photos of bullet holes in your home. we're going to put those up. can you describe what was taking place at that time? >> yes, so, we actually -- my roommates and i didn't even notice the bullet holes until at least an hour and a half later. and then we saw the significant hole through the westward wall in our house. and went through my roommate's calendar and right through the chair. his computer desk chair. and the slug which we haven't touched is still sitting at the foot of his bed. >> and andrew, do you know if anyone has been injured? you mentioned one of the suspects may have been shot. do you know if there have been any injuries in this? >> i don't know. thankfully we're all safe. we're a little shaken up, we're all safe. i have no idea about anyone else on the street in our block. >> i want to keep you on with us. your eyewitness account is unbelievable, riveting. and we have a new statement by the fbi. the fbi says, quote, we are aware of the law enforcement activity in the greater boston area, the situation is ongoing. we are working with local authorities to determine what happened. this, of course, is in response to these developments taken place overnight. quite a news night in boston this evening. in the boston area. an m.i.t. campus police officer was responding to reports of a disturbance. he was taken to a hospital where he was pronounced dead. no arrests have been made. officials say there were no other victims in that case. but they do continue to search for that suspect. we don't know if that was related to what happened in watertown just a few hours later where eyewitnesss like andrew report having heard three explosions and a number of gun shots. one witness said there were too many to count and that is consistent with what we've heard from andrew this evening saying there was a fire fight. an extensive fire fight with law enforcement officers there. and andrew's account is that one of the suspects was tackled and taken into custody and that the other one perhaps got away. i want to go to pete williams in washington, d.c. pete, what can you tell us about what's happening here this evening? >> el with, i think there's ample reason to think what we're seeing h ining here is connecte boston marathon bombing. number one, we know that the fbi was very interested in this part of massachusetts based on the initial information they had gathered and some of the tips they had received. this is not that coincidence. there was a great deal of interest beyond the mere fact that this suburb is near -- in the same state of massachusetts and not far from boston. so that's the first thing. secondly, we have seen and we're not reporting the names yet. but we have seen the names of the two people that we believe have been arrested there. one of them was a name that the fbi was very interested in tracing down based on a couple of factors, including the fact that the fbi had received a number of tips based on people looking at the pictures saying that one of the suspects looked very much like this person. so it was a name of great interest to the fbi. we believe that is the name of one of the two suspects. now, you might well ask, given the fact that the fbi doesn't know the names of the two suspects that they released the pictures of. you're looking at these two seeking information posters released a few hours ago by the fbi. you might well ask since they don't know their names, how would they know based on the arrests whether they have them or not. and i think that's one of the reasons why this is taking a long time. an unusual situation. because normally in a manhunt you know the name of the person you're looking for. this is not that situation. i'm told by law enforcement this picture that keeps coming up every 25 seconds is not one of the people involved in this incident here. just a person who was ordered to lie on the ground. another thing that is interesting. one of the things found by the responding officers was a pressure cooker. and, of course, we know that a pressure cooker was used to make at least one if not two of the bombs used in the boston bombing on monday. so you put all these things together, the fact that the fbi was interested in this area, based on the information they had developed. interested in checking out people in this area. number two, the fact that one of the names of the suspects that we believe have been arrested tonight was on the liz of people that the fbi was looking for based on their tips. and number three, the fact that a pressure cooker was found on the scene, looks to me like this was connected. >> and that's the question on everyone's mind all night. very good information you shared with us. i want to go lester holt with more on what's happening there on the ground. what can you tell us about what's happening right now? >> well, i can tell you more of what we don't know than we know. but they have set up this perimeter right here down from the scene where the explosions and sounds were heard earlier in the evening. witness accounts here of what people heard. but we haven't seen any sign of explosives here or smelled any gun powder. but watertown is about ten minutes or so from cambridge where that initial shooting of the police officer happened. this all broke during the 11:00 news, in fact, it was a bulletin on the local news here of this shooting at m.i.t. and then it slowly unfolded into multiple locations, police were staked out at a train station on the boston side. shortly after that we heard about the chase and the shootout and explosions here in watertown. residents are in the street right now trying to get a grip on what's happened. most people here have gone ahead and made the link that we've all been thinking about, whether this is related to the monday bombings. the only official word we got, i pulled a few blocks away from here and can't even call it a news conference, there was a state police officer that approached a few reporters. he seemed to be indicating that they had two suspects and there were two others they were still looking for. i haven't had double confirmation on that. just got the tail end of that. one s.w.a.t. officer was walking past the police line. asked him what was happening and he shook his head, i don't know. he was a boston police officer. the tempo has died down considerably here. we saw police cars flying back and forth. in fact, i was in boston when all of this was going down. and you could hear the crescendo of sirens following that shooting. the percentage of sirens keeps growing and growing and growing indicating something was happening of some magnitude. no one officially connecting the dots. but as pete has suggested, that i seem to be lining up in the direction this may be related to monday's bombing. >> if you have any concerns about your own safety, if law enforcement has indicated there are any continuing threats. we spoke to an eyewitness who says he can till see a bomb robot on the scene trying to ascertain if there are explosives in and rnd around the area, have you heard anything from law enforcement about continuing threats? >> no, they've got several routes in that direction. they've got several routes blocked off. and their posture seems to indicate, at least in the area we are that all is clear. and the other side of the tape down the road, i'm not sure that's the case. i can see as a last location, a long line of what appears to be s.w.a.t. officers walking up the street. that area a little bit more sensitivity. where we are right now, seems to be no great urgency beyond the excitement earlier in tevining. but we appear to be in a safe location right now. residents sharing what they know. some things will turn out to be wrong as we all kind of wait here and try to reduce the urge to speculate what we know. and truthfully, we don't know a lot. >> i want to reset the scene for our viewers that may be joining at this time on everything that's taken place this evening. a lot of development this evening. >>> this is an nbc news special report. >>> in new york, at least one person has been taken into custody after a night of violence in watertown, massachusetts, just outside of boston. witnesses report hearing at least three explosions and a massive exchange of gunfire between at least two suspects and a number of law enforcement officers. i want to go now to nbc news justice correspondent pete williams live in d.c. with new information on this. pete, what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, the obvious question is, is all of this violence tonight related to the bombings in boston and the fact that several hours ago, the fbi released pictures of individuals they were eager to talk to, they believed were involved in monday's bombing. several things to keep clear here, number one, we're told by authorities that what is unfolding tonight in boston did not start with the fbi trying to arrest someone. that is not what started this. but there are at least three reasons to think that what's happening here is related to the boston bombings. number one, we knew that the fbi was interested in the names of some people who live in this area. so it's not -- this is not an unrelated thing or something related to boston merely by geography. there was interest that the fbi had in that area. that's number one. number two, we've heard the names of two people who have been arrested tonight. we're not confirming them, but one of them we know was a name that the fbi had received several tips about. it was someone they were interested in. that seems to me more than a mere coincidence. and number three, we've been told that in all of the violence tonight in all the chaos in watertown that there were some explosives, some that were set up off. and among all that was a pressure cooker. you may recall that we know for certain because the fbi has said publicly that one at least one and possibly two of the bombs that were set off at the boston marathon on monday at least one of them was built using a pressure cooker. so i suppose you could say if you had one of those factors, this might merely be a coincidence, but when you lay all three of them down, the possibility of a coincidence seems to be quite remote and seems to law enforcement officials quite remote, as well. now, one other thing i think is a relevant question. in a normal manhunt, you know the name of the person you're looking for, the name of the suspect. well, the two people their pictures shown a few hours ago in a press conference who were said to be involved in the boston bomb gsz, that's what the fbi doesn't know about them. their names. knows their pictures but not their names. so a question arises. if they do make arrests, and apparently they have, how will they know if they've got the right guys? i think that's one of the reasons why it's taking time to get an answer here because there's a lot of checking that has to be done. there's the immediate thing of do they look like the people in the pictures? and then there'll be other information that will have to be checked on too. and we don't know whether in all of the bomb debris that was recovered from the scene on monday whether in the work that the fbi's been doing at the lab in quantico whether they found fingerprints on that material. unfortunately, careful bomb makers try not to leave fingerprints, but they can survive that blast. that's happened many times in the past. a fingerprint can survive a blast and many of the pieces were large enough to hold fingerprints. that could be another avenue. but that's the big question. and it certainly is looking like it is related and we're just waiting to find out now as, indeed, is the fbi whether they've got their guys. >> all right. nbc news justice correspondent in washington, thank you so much. addressing the issue on everyone's mind this evening. i want to bring in andrew kitzenberg. overlooking the street where those explosions and that shootout happened. andrew, can you describe for me what you saw this evening? >> yeah. i was sitting in my living room, actually, this room i'm in now and it was about 12:45, 12:50 when i heard a couple of gun shots, what sounded like gun shots and i walked over carefully and stud behind the walls ands and looked out my window. between a sedan and black mercedes benz suv. and there were two shooters with handguns that were taking cover behind the suv. they were shooting about what seemed to be 70 to 80 yards down towards watertown police officer vehicles. and the gunfire was going on for a few minutes and they also had explosives. what seemed to be maybe grenades and threw at least two of these explosives toward the officers. didn't look like anything. either of those got too close. but they also had a third explosive, which was a bigger explosive and what looked to be like a pressure cooker bomb. something that -- and i've seen the pictures earlier this week. and i actually saw them from my bedroom window on the third floor of our apartment, which is about 35, 40 feet down to the street. and i saw them light it and actually throw it towards the officers and didn't get too close. only 15 or 20 yards, but created a huge smoke explosion and a really big decoy in the street. as that explosion went off, one of the shooters ran towards the officers while still firing on them. and he continued to run at them and when he got close, he went down. i didn't see whether or not he was tackled or whether he was shot. i did see him go down and while he was doing this, the shooter got back into the suv, got into the suv, turned it down back down toward the officers. >> and andrew, i want to hop in and tell viewers what we're looking at. you've taken pictures all night and posted them on twitter. and we're looking at those twit picks now. can you describe to me what you took photos of and what they're showing? >> yeah, i took photos maybe -- a few minutes after i heard the gunfire, i went up to my bedroom and was taking initial pictures. i got a couple of the shooters actually firing on the officers. and i continue to take pictures, you know, for the last i think two hours now. and they range from there you see the bomb squad kind of inspecting our street and inspecting where that explosion actually went off. this is a sedan and in it are a couple of backpacks. and seemed that the shooters were carrying their ammunition and explosives and two or three backpacks -- >> and that's the vehicle they were taking cover behind, is that correct? >> well, the vehicle is actually gone in that picture. the suv is where they were standing behind and they were standing in between that sedan and the suv which was maybe 10 feet apart. >> has law enforcement said anything to you about your safety? you said the bomb squad was on the scene seeing if there was a potential ongoing zup set about staying safe right now? >> yeah. about an hour and a half or two hours ago, we had seemed like army personnel knock on our door, telling us to lock the doors and get to the back of the house. and so i think they've been going door to door to make sure everyone is staying inside and staying safe. >> and you posted that photo of the bomb detection robot about an hour ago. is there still a bomb squad on the scene looking for additional explosives? what's the scene like right now? >> yeah, i was just back at the window and about ten minutes ago, there still was. and this window actually leads out to the street. as i look right now, the bomb squad robot is actually in the passenger door right now in the driver seat door inspecting. >> andrew, would you be able to show us that? do you feel comfortable walking your computer to the window? >> yeah, i'd be happy to. i won't open the window, but i'll walk it here and -- is that it's kind of angled right now at the bomb squad robot. >> and we can see it looks like a robot that's looking through that car. one of the wars that -- and you're saying that this robot appears to be looking for more explosives inside that car. you said they left things behind. is that correct? >> yes, they left what looks like two or three backpacks and bags right next to that sedan. and the bomb squad and officers have yet to touch that. they have been very, very careful in this area. the bomb squad robot has been there for at least half hour now going door to door on the car doors inspecting it. and they have yet to look into the backpacks. >> okay. jonathan, i'd like for you to standby for just a moment. we want to go to wnbc investigator reporter jonathan dienst. what can you tell us about these developments to be the? >> i can echo much of what pete williams was reporting, our justice correspondent a short time ago. we spoke with a law enforcement source who tells us there's a stronger possibility that the events of this evening are linked to the marathon bombings that took place. he said there are, quote, visual and physical evidence suggesting it is linked and that it looks more likely. these are quotes. and -- but, but it is not definitive. and there's work to be done in terms of positively identifying the suspects who are in custody here tonight. one of them who we're told from a law enforcement source was shot during this wild shootout and chase that took place from about 10:45 this evening till about 2:30 in the morning. but that increasingly, the quote, stronger possibility that the incidents of tonight are linked to the bombing. again, this all started with the shooting of an m.i.t. security, m.i.t. police officer shot and killed. and then the ensuing chase by local police. the initial reports from federal officials were they did not believe it was linked but they were monitoring. and then as the events unfolded with shootouts and reports of explosives and car chases and now we are told all of the federal agents who are up in boston are being dispatched to go to the multiple crime scenes all across that area that took place tonight. because there is, quote, visual and physical evidence that suggests that the case tonight is linked to the marathon bombings. so confidence or close to confidence from law enforcement that these incidents are linked and they may have their suspects. but again, nothing is official. it is still undetermined, but that is what the fbi and local law enforcement are looking at at this hour. the stronger possibility, that's the direct quote, the two cases are linked. >> i would like to point out we've been showing video of a gentleman laying on the ground and earlier this evening, pete williams noted that law enforcement is telling him that gentleman, is not, in fact, one of the suspects in the case. someone at the wrong place at the wrong time. you mentioned the shooting in cambridge at the campus of m.i.t. and campus police officer was responding to reports of a disturbance when he was shot. he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead and officials began an investigation in this case that was the first incidence of violence this evening and led to a number of situations across the area. i want to go to lester holt who is live in watertown, massachusetts, which is about 4 1/2 miles from cambridge where all of this started. what can you tell us about what's happening on the ground right now? >> well, they have moved the press and citizens back. they've cordoned off what appears to be a few square miles of this area while they work that scene that we've been watching in those skype photos. the s.w.a.t. teams, we were in another location about five minutes from here, a bit closer earlier. there were s.w.a.t. teams that were working slowly up and down the street that i could see in the distance. lots of police activity over there. we have moved back to a place now that they have deemed safe. the posture of police here a little less tense. clearly a lot of activity on the other end. one s.w.a.t. team officer coming out of the area seemed bewild bewilder bewildered. he was a boston police officer. he said, i just don't know. a state police officer at the scene suggested there were two people they had and might be looking for others. that was at the tail end of not quite a news conference that was being held but this officer sharing a little bit of information. haven't been able to confirm that beyond that. but there is still a great deal of activity back at the scene where those explosions were heard and the gunfire a bit earlier, police racing from all over this area including boston, which is about 15 minutes from watertown. right now residents milling about the streets. sharing information people trying to fill in the blanks, wondering if this is the culmination. wondering if there are others still at large from tonight's violence. and that has left a lot of people here on edge. where we are right now, police seem to have deemed this area safe. but we're all wondering where this is all going to lead. and in fact, if it is over, mara. >> all right, lester holt live in watertown. i would like to bring back now andrew kitzenberg. andrew, there's some new video that we're just getting in that i would like to share with you. we'll bring andrew back in just a moment. i'm hearing we do have andrew now back with us on skype. bear with us with some of our technical issues. andrew, if you are there with us and can hear me, we have new video in of this incident taking place earlier this evening and i'd like to take a listen and watch it with you and discuss it on the other side. this is youtube video of this fire fight earlier this evening in watertown. it is very dark, but you should be able to hear the fire fight between police officers and those two suspects. let's take a listen. >> there's explosions and gunfire going on down the street. >> my house. >> unbelievable video there. it was about a minute of gunfire exchange between those two suspects and law enforcement in watertown. andrew, it seems like that must have been terrifying and all of this was unfolding right outside your window. what was that moment like? >> it was absolutely terrifying. we heard the gunfire and heard a couple of gun shots. i'm here with three of my roommates and we were all -- a couple of them were already sleeping. the gunfire started at about 12:45. and it was absolutely terrifying. and then we heard the gunfire and exactly what the video showed. a lot of gunfire being exchanged, but then there were explosives a couple of minutes later. and i witnessed that from my bedroom window. and it looked like they were potentially grenades or explosives of that type. and that's when it brought it to a whole other level and we could actually feel it. i could feel it here in the house. and it is really, really terrifying. >> and of course, that whole area has been on edge since monday's bombings at the boston marathon. is that something you thought of that perhaps it could be related? >> well, prior to this, maybe an hour, hour and a half prior i saw on the news, i saw the push notifications on my phone about a shooting at m.i.t. that was the initial thought when i heard the gunfire. m.i.t. is about 20 -- about 20-minute drive from my apartment. and that's what i initially thought. are you thinking about marathon, but i was thinking about m.i.t. since it was so recent. >> and when you saw they had explosives, did that bring to mind everything that happened earlier this week? >> yes, absolutely. that -- i can't even describe when the first explosives were going off. but then from my bedroom window when i was looking down at the shooters, i could actually see what looked like a pressure cooker bomb similar to the ones i've seen on the internet and pictures for the last few days. and i actually saw the shooter light it and turn it towards the officers. and that explosion filled our entire street with smoke and that was -- at that point, i hit the ground. i was terrified. >> can you tell me a little bit more about the force of those explosions. did they appear to do any damage or injure any of the law enforcement officers there? >> i couldn't see the officers, they were at the end of our block, which was maybe 80 or 100 yards away. but the windows in the -- there was actually a watertown police vehicle that crashed into our driveway. and the windows were all what seemed to be shot out. they could have been exploded from that bomb. i know there are cars in my driveway right now that have broken windows, whether those are bullet holes or from the explosion, i can't tell. but the force, it wouldn't surprise me that the force was great enough where -- and i don't know if there was shrapnel, but it was great enough that it was hitting our house. >> and we want to be careful not to jump to conclusions, but there certainly is a good deal of evidence at this point to suggest that what happened this evening is in fact, related to the bombings that took place on monday. yesterday, authorities released these photos of the suspects in the bombing case. from your vantage point, did you see any similarities between the people having a firefighter with police and the photos police released yesterday? >> you know, i couldn't make out the shooters. i couldn't identify their faces. based on build, they were average sized, average height. but i really continue make out any facial features. they didn't have very descriptive clothing and it was relatively dark. and i don't want to speculate on that. >> i'd like you to standby for a moment because i want to bring in kerry sanders who is live on the phone now. he is also in watertown. and you've been covering this story all night from the very beg beginning. how did all of this start? >> i'm around the corner from andrew, what he saw from his position. he can't see what i can see because of where he is. i'm sort of like half a block around the corner from him. but there's 35 police officers that have saved themselves in an area here. looks like they were getting ready to make walk the streets to look for something but then they broke up. some of the vehicles are pulling out of here. and in those vehicles, unmarked vehicles are federal military s.w.a.t. team. and using that description sort of vaguely because they won't identify themselves. but the way they're dressed, the gear they're wearing including night vision gear and they're dressed in military garb, they may be a state agency, but it says v-14 on their soldiers, they have american flag patches and packed to the hilt with every armament you would need to move through here. they have pulled back. two per vehicle, six vehicles pulling out of here. leaving behind a large number of boston police officers who were here. they had when i walked up decided that perhaps put up yellow crime scene tape. they've stopped me from pursuing any further up into this area. one of the people in this area who was out told me to check earlier tonight they saw 20 officers running up here in a full sprint with their ar-15s out, a type of weapon. i'm not sure, but i have a feeling this may be where much of the exchange of gunfire took place. the only thing that is not enough to confirm that to me is i was thought by now if this was it, they would have put out some markers where some of the casings from the bullets would've fallen down. and i don't see any of that. but clearly the officers are lined up as if they're going to do something here. i've been to crime scenes before. where often they're in a line like that to look for items. >> can you describe the scene when you arrived there and what the law enforcement response was like? >> reporter: oh, it was intense. it was -- it was officers at the ready. in some cases running, in other cases, with their backs to the action looking the other direction, which is because i think they weren't sure which direction the potential threat may still be coming from. coming in right now, we have another military-style vehicle coming in. and let me see if i can find out who these guys are and see if they're willing to tell me. boston pd? okay, boston pd is coming in here. armored personnel carrier coming on down into the scene. but, again, not moving in with any urgency. just moving into position. >> okay. kerry, if you can just -- if i can ask you to standby for me for one moment. i want to take a moment to read a statement we got from the fbi earlier this evening. got this about 3:00 a.m., less than an hour ago. they're saying we are aware of the law enforcement activity in the greater boston area. the situation is ongoing. we are working with local authorities to determine what happened. and i'd like to bring in jonathan dienst. do you have new information to share? >> well, we can update that statement from officials who are telling us, again, there's a strong possibility that the incidents here tonight are linked to the marathon bombing case but that nothing is definitive. and the reason why there is that belief is because of visual and physical evidence at the scene involving a suspect or suspects as well as some of the items recovered at the scene. and we're waiting for details about that from the eyewitness you've been speaking with about him seeing a pressure cooker bomb. one of the chances, you know, that type of device would be, you know, not somehow connected to what went on with the marathon. but, again, nothing definitive as the fbi, we are told is dispatching dozens and dozens and dozens of agents now to join with the local authorities because, again, this started out as a shooting of a police officer. what amounted to a local crime, a very tragic crime story out there. and then led to this wild chase shooting and explosions that clearly indicated this was even bigger and much more troubling given the terror events that took place on monday. that's why you have this enormous response with police and armored personnel carriers. and now, the federal agents who are out at the scene. but as justice department correspondent pete williams was explaining that he was hearing that federal officials believe that this could very well be linked and that we're hearing, as well, that it looks more likely, stronger possibility. there's visual and physical evidence that suggests they're linked. these are some of the quotes we're hearing from officials up in that area. but, again, nothing is definitive. and until they can make positive i.d.s on the suspect or suspects that they have, they're going to take their time in putting out any sort of official announcement establishing a connection and an official announcement identifying the names of those who they have. and matching them, perhaps or d disproving them to the photos they put out yesterday at that press conference. because, again, as pete was explaining, they did not have a name. all they had were the video images. so there is much work ahead to see if they can match the people involved in this incident tonight conclusively with the images they have from the marathon bombing. and that work is ahead. so i suspect it will take some time. but there were some names being bandied about among law enforcement as to who they think these two individuals involved tonight are and the question, again, whether for sure they're connected to the boston marathon bombing. so, again, it is undetermined, it is not official, but words like -- or phrases like stronger possibility looks more likely of the connection. that is what we are hearing. >> and jonathan, conflicting reports tonight about how many people are in custody quickly. do you know how many people taken in custody and if there are suspects at large? >> i do not know that for sure. i believe there is at least one subject in custody and that suspect was shot and injured during his confrontation with police. i've heard other reports they do have the second suspect and we're working to nail that down at this hour. >> okay. i'd like to turn to nbc news justice correspondent pete williams who joins us from washington. you heard what jonathan had to say, quote, a strong possibility that these events that took place tonight are, in fact, linked to the boston bombings. what can you tell us about that potential link? >> well, i want to start with something you just asked my good friend john about which is there some reason to think there's somebody at large? and the answer to that is quite clearly yes. because the watertown police, the massachusetts state police have put out a tweet saying that residents in and around watertown should stay home and not answer the door. unless it's an identified police officer. so that's a pretty strong indication, i think, that they're trying to find someone and they don't want that person stakie i taking refuge in someone else's house. the big question, of course, on everyone's mind is as of you been discussing with john, could this be related to the boston bombing on monday? this all started tonight with what seemed like a fairly routine police response to a fairly normal course of the evening call. and so we have to start right there and say that this did not start with the fbi trying to arrest someone in the boston bombing. they were not aggressively out trying to serve a warrant or trying to arrest someone. however, the events that unfold strongly suggest that whoever the fbi was looking for has somehow brought this all on their own heads. and there are several reasons why there's a strong suspicion as john's comments reflect that this is related to boston. thing number one is that the fbi was already interested in people in this area. so it's not just the mere fact that watertown's near boston. number two, you've heard the witness say and we've heard independently from law enforcement that among the things they believe they've found tonight in all this chaos and some explosives being deployed apparently was a pressure cooker. and that's important because one of the two devices on monday was made with the pressure cooker. and number three, we have seen the names and can't -- trying to confirm them now. we've seen the name from some law enforcement officials of one or possibly two people in custody. one of those names was on the fbi's list of people to check out based on the tips they released their pictures at 6:00 last night. so you put all that together and it seems quite likely and i believe, you know, what the people i'm talking to reflect the same view that john's sources do that this -- you know, this has got to be -- they've got to have -- gotten into these guys and they're, you know, they're about to find out whether, in fact, the people they have are the people they were looking for. now just to state the obvious, that's going to be complicated because the fbi doesn't have the names of the bombers on monday in boston. that is why they put the pictures out on thursday to get names. they can't look in their wallets and find out if they're the right guys and i think that's one of the reasons why this is taking longer. plus, whatever is going on up there isn't over yet. >> and do we have any idea whether what happened in watertown is related to what happened in cambridge earlier this evening with the shooting of an m.i.t. police officer. it's unclear if these events are related to each other if they are, in fact, at all. >> i don't think anyone i've talked to down here has a clue about that. >> thanks so much for that. and i'd like to bring our viewers up to speed on what has happened this evening. a number of developments in the boston area. began around 10:45 yesterday evening in cambridge, massachusetts, just outside of boston when an m.i.t. campus police officer was responding to a disturbance and was shot multiple times. he was taken to a hospital where he was pronounced dead. at that time, officials said they began an investigation. a few hours later, some activity began in watertown, massachusetts, 4 1/2 miles outside of cambridge away from cambridge and officials say there was a fire fight between two suspects and a number of law enforcement officers. we played a tape a short while ago, a home video of what appeared to be that fire fight. witnesses also reported hearing a number of explosions. we spoke to one eyewitness who said he saw the two suspects tossing what seemed hand grenades and at one point even what appeared to be a pressure cooker bomb at law enforcement officials. now, at this time, we can confirm that one person has been taken into custody. we don't know if there's a second person who has taken into custody. but it appears one person is in custody. the question that everyone is asking is whether or not what happened tonight is related to the bombings earlier this week at the boston marathon. we cannot say for certainty if there is a connection. but as we've heard from several of our reporters this evening, including justice correspondent pete williams and jonathan dienst, there's a strong possibility these events are, in fact, linked. i would like to bring in former fbi profiler clint van zandt. and clint, we've been following this together all night. given what you've heard about these individuals have been explosives, the way they engage law enforcement in the extensive fire fight, go you have suspicions these are, in fact, the suspects that police have been looking for in this boston bombing case? >> well, this could be, i think, one or more of the suspects. what we have to realize too is we have pictures of the two primary suspects. there may be other individuals involved, at least providing some type of aid and comfort to these two individuals. so whether the person they have in custody is an exact match to these photographs or not, law enforcement right now is trying to sort through this. as you probably know, pictures very released by the fbi showing the two primary suspects together, it would be a relatively simple task with the person they supposedly have in custody to get facial photographs with an iphone and send those to investigators who have good copies of the pictures if investigators of the street don't have them with them to make that match. i would say they have a pretty good idea right now even though as pete rightfully says we don't have the names, we have something better at this point. we have pictures of their face. and we should be able to match that up. the challenge right now as you've indicated. is this related, of course. and more importantly at this point, one way or the other, there's the potential based upon police telling citizens to stay inside and not answer the door that there is a second shooter on the street. the second shooter whether he was involved in the shooting of the m.i.t. police officer, whether he was involved in the fire fight, the subsequent fire fight with police officers, whether he was involved in the bombing, he has nonetheless engaged police officers in a fire fight. and that makes him a highly dangerous person. and with the introduction of explosives, i can tell you 25 years ton the street as an fbi agent. and the idea that you would encounter an individual with devices similar to hand grenades or pressure cooker bombs, that changes the odds so greatly that it almost has to be related to this -- to the marathon bombings if, in fact, the information coming to us is accurate as reported. >> clint, i would like you to standby for a moment. we'd love to come back to you in a moment. at this time, i want to go to lester holt live in watertown, massachusetts. lester? >> as we continue to try to connect the dots if they are, in fact, connectible, whatever the sequence of events, we know that police kicked over a hornet's nest here in the early morning hours in watertown. that fire fight we saw that prolonged fire fight, exchange of gunfire, explosives apparently being tossed in the direction of police. it's probably the fbi here, many police agencies, boston police, a number of units leaving the area over the last few minutes. we've been moved back into an area that apparently is safe. i've lost my sound to you, i was going to continue to talk, but cut me off if you have to. this all followed the series of events that began late evening in cambridge. reports of a disturbance, police officers responding, there were reports of shots and then we learned, in fact, an m.i.t. police officer had been shot multiple times and died from his wounds. we then saw police activity at a transit station across the river and then an apparent chase that ended here in watertown. it was in watertown that police were met by this hail of gunfire. they returned fire. a rapid, rapid prolonged exchange, explosions were heard and according to a witness who has been speaking to nbc news throughout the night who had a clear view of all of this, one of the suspects go the in a vehicle and basically blasted his way through the police lines. we were a little closer to the scene about an hour or so ago. we could see s.w.a.t. teams moving methodically up the street. obviously trying to get a handle on the area. look for unexploded ordinance right now as witnesses have been describing to us. there's been a robot that they have been using to check out a vehicle and still apparently objects on the ground to check out. >> thanks for that report. i want to go to kerry sanders who joins us on the phone. he's also in watertown. kerry, i hear you have new information for us. >> reporter: indeed. 30 blocks from where lester is and s.w.a.t. teams have been deployed. two s.w.a.t. teams over to a building not far from where i'm standing. motion detectors have gone off inside the pilding. and it's multiple motion detectors it triggered. causing them to believe the current suspect they are pursuing may be inside that building. at the same time, where i'm standing, i've been pushed back because sources have confirmed to me over here they have what they believe are two devices in the street. they didn't bring a bomb squad in yet. but they have brought in armored personnel carriers. they could be active bombs. >> and, kerry, if you could just reiterate that. i mean, if what you're hearing bears out, this probably one of the biggest developments of the night. just to be clear, you're hearing from law enforcement that it's possible that the suspect may still, in fact, be in the vicinity and they may have pinpointed his location, is that correct? >> exactly. and be very specific here. multiple motion detectors have gone off in a building and they have deployed two s.w.a.t. teams to that location right now where they believe it's highly possible someone who doesn't belong inside that building, consider the hour may be their suspect. at the same time over where i am, there are two devices they're creating with their bombs. two devices they have in the street here. they have pushed back from and they're waiting for the bomb squad to arrive. but in the meantime, they brought in some of their armored personnel carrier, which we can assume put up the blast shield too if something were to trigger, it could stop the explosion from hitting nails and ball bearings out to areas that cause damage. >> give us perspective where you are. is this the same street where the fire fight took place? >> this is close to where the fire fight took place. about half a block to a good portion of this fire fight took place. i'm hesitant to give the exact street locations. it's taken kind relations with police officers to get where nobody else is. >> kerry sanders, please be careful, especially if they've identified devices in the street near where you are. we've just wanted to recap where we are at this point. we heard a very significant potential development from nbc news' kerry sanders. there may be a chance, we cannot confirm this, but may be a chance that one of the suspects they are looking for is, in fact, in a building in watertown and they have identified his location. again, we're going to wait and hear more on that. this all stems from a number of events that took place last night. witnesses report explosions and extensive fire fight between two suspects. there's a strong possibility this is, in fact, related to the
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express my sadness and my anger frankly over those terrible events. the you know, boston is is not going to be intimidated by this. but we're going to find out who did this. >> that emotional secretary of state john kerry this morning talking about the terror attacks in boston. i'm craig melvin filling in for thomas roberts. new pictures, new information about the bombs used in a deadly attack at the boston p marathon. all of this as president obama gets ready to comfort the victims in that city tomorrow. these are new images in to us from reuters appearing to show a circuit board, timers and other parts of the devices as well. authorities believe each bomb may have weigh ed about 20 pounds. they were packed with nails and ball bearings as well. the fbi says it's found the mangled remains of what appears to be a pressure cooker in a black nylon back that possibly held the bombs. the fbi is also examining photos like this one where you can see what looks like a trash bag next to a mailbox. that same shot just moments after shows a devastating scene. invest garretigators are lookin whether the devices were put in trash bags to hide them. meantime, they continue to ask the public for help in the form of pictures, videos and tips. >> the person who did this is someone's friend, neighbor, co-worker or relative. someone knows who did this. >> former mayor rudy giuliani in office during the 9/11 attacks weighed in on "morning joe," saying people need to give investigators more time to come up with answers. >> i think that impatience with the investigation is a little misplaced. i was in london the day of the bombing and back in 2005, it took a while to catch those people and they have maybe three times the surveillance cameras that we have. >> also today, mourning the victims. vigils and new details emerging about those killeded in the bombing and others still fighting for their lives. >> initially, we had 10 or 11 that we considered critical. now, we have two. they are still critically ill and most patients are making good progress. we'll not be happy until they're home. will not be satisfied. >> we have all angles covered today from the new details on the bombs themselves to the investigation to the rallying across this country. for boston. but we start with msnbc national investigative correspondent, michael isakoff, who is live in boston. michael, we have some video from invest garretts gators from moments ago. what are they doing now and what are we learning as well as from photos of those pressure cooker bombs? >> first of all, the search for evidence is intensifying just a few moments ago. agents with white hazmat suits and bomb sniffing dogs were sifting through the area near the bomb blasts on boylston street just a couple of blocks from where we are right now. that's a sign of just how exhaustive they're going to be in trying to collect any scrap of evidence they can get and also, the heightened security situation here, i should point out that just a few hours ago, we had those same bomb sniffing dogs going through our cameras here at nbc where we've got set up. so there is very much, the heightened security here is very acute and that does contradict a bit with a comments by law enforcement to sort of calm the public saying there's no imminent threat because the fact is, there is a bomber or bombers on the loose. those photos you mentioned before, we are getting these new photos in. they show the circuit board. they show most interestingly, elements of that pressure cooker, which you can see part of a corporate logo on that and the black nylon bag which also seems to show a corporate logo on it. now, what's significant about that is that it gives investigators a lead. they can now go to stores that sell these particular items, the pressure cookers, the nylon bags and ask have, who's been buying these items recently? do they have a list? is there surveillance cameras at some of these stores? now, that's going to be tough. it could take a long time. i'm told pressure cookers like this could also be sold at yard sales. so it may be a dead end in that respect, but it gives them something to work on in the absence of other leads. >> michael isakoff with the latest on the investigation from boston. thanks. i want to bripg in candice delong, a former profiler who helped with the unibomber and james cavanaugh. good to have you. candice, let me start with you. from all the reports about the content of the bomb, there's new pictures we just saw a few moments ago. pictures of a battery pack, pictures of a circuit board, bbs nails into that pressure cooker. in your experience, what can these things tell us? >> what they can tell us is the experience level of the bomber. have they done this kind of thing before? do they have military training or did they get this out of the anarchists cookbook if you will, or something off the internet. it doesn't look like the damage regarding this is insignificant. it didn't look to me like it's a highly sophisticated bombmaker. >> would that be an indication this might be the work of someone who's not necessarily an expert? >> it could mean it is the work of someone who's not necessarily an expert or more than one person. >> what might the fact that no one or no group at this point has claimed responsibility, what might that tell us about the suspect or suspects? >> i don't think it's inconsequential that well, our most famous terrorist group, al-qaeda, has not claimed credit for this. they usually want credit for what they did. i think one of the things i've been thinking since monday certainly tuesday when there was no credit for it at that point was that this was probably not what we would call state sponsored terrorism and that it might be a home grown individual not to say that they aren't political extremists or i mean, al-qaeda has released their, they'll give their information to anybody and go forth. if you share our views, do what you want to do. we don't know if al-qaeda's behind this or not. it doesn't like to me like it's an organized, sophisticated bombing effort. >> james, there's something else that's complicating all of this. take a listen. >> there are descriptions for how to make this kind of bomb on many websites in every major language and an ordinary search engine will take you to them. >> with so many people capable of making one of these simple bombs, how will investigators sift through the suspect sns. >> well, what they're going to have to do is develop suspects from the community, from who might have purchased like item, forensics, from the bomb, there could be fingerprint, dna. there could be tips come in and preincident behavior, testing bombs. there's lot of ways, names of people and suspects will come up to the command post and investigators and candice made some great points and i agree with the way she's thinking about it. the bomber or bombers are very determined, very purposeful. they have it electrically fused, im improvised mind, place to create maximum death in a device that can be carried. maybe their resources are vast, so they don't have a lot of money. why didn't they put it in a car full of explosives? well, they don't have the money for that. and also, they have a manned portable device. so this device is carried in. one person could have carried in two bombs. they could have one in the duffel bag and one in the backpack. mike isakoff was talking about the scene there. where the case starts, the epicenter of the case is the seed of the blast. and the seed of the blast is where the agents go to start. and the case works out from there really in this case, right across the world. and you've got two blast seats, they've zeroed in on them. if that garbage bag is one of the bombs that's been in the photographs, it was placed over the fence or don't rule out that someone was on the other side of the fence. it could have been you know, looked like a street sweeper. could have one of those yellow marathon vests around been a volchenkvo vollen tier. the other device, possibly behind the fence, which was like a dune fence, maybe to keep bystanders from touching it. you'll notice in the pictures, it's about ten feet in from the curb. there's a diabolical nature. >> thanks to both of you. do appreciate your time. >> welcome. >> in the midst of the death and destruction, boston continues to rally around the victims as well. at least three vigils were held yesterday. one in dorchester to honor 8-year-old martin richard, one of the boston common and another at an interfaith service across the street from the common. join i joining me now, congressman of massachusetts. a woman drove two of her sons, each lost a leg in the bombing. what can you tell us about how that family is doing? >> i can't tell you an awful lot. i understand that the mother an one of the sons lives in the district in wakefield and the other son lives just outside. we trieded to reach her and offer any support, but there was no voice mail, no answer on that, so we've checked with town officials who i know are very concerned and they're going to try to keep an eye out to make sure whatever support the family needs is there and they know that everybody is concerned for them. >> you're the ranking trat on the subcommittee, homeland security secretary napolitano spoke. >> there is no current indication to suggest the attack was indicative of a broader plot, but out of an abundance of caution, we continue to keep in place enhanced security measures, both seen and unseen in coordination with federal, state and local partners. we continued to urge the american public to remain vigilant and immediately report signs of suspicious activity. >> what kind of briefings on the investigation are you being given if any? >> secretary's been very good. she's called personally to the different members of the delegation and shared with us all the information she has to date and obviously, we have an open channel there with her staff anytime we need to know more. the white house has been good. they've been making sure that people are informed and we feel comfortable we'll get the information we need to have. we don't want to interfere and be a burden on the process of this invest gag, so we're trying to strike that delicate balance, showing support and concern for families involved. being able to act where we need to act on anything, but also not be in the way of the secretary or anybody else's involvement of this investigation. >> congressman, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> how is it senator, that americans do not do this, that bostonians, new yorkers, we do not do this. we get up, we walk ahead, on ward throughout the day. how is it that we are less afraid of terrorism in our streets than you are of the nra? >> msnbc contributor, mike barnacle after learning the vote on that bipartisan deal on background checks is all but doomeded. kelly o'donnell gets the scoop from joe manchin, plus, mark sanford will be heading to court for possibly violating his divorce settlement. reports on what his ex-wife says he's done now. access control, fire and intrusion protection. all backed up with world-class monitoring centers, thousands of qualified technicians, and a personal passion to help protect your business. when your business is optimized like that, there's no stopping you. we are tyco integrated security. and we are sharper. exciting and would always come max and pto my rescue. bookstore but as time passed, i started to notice max just wasn't himself. and i knew he'd feel better if he lost a little weight. so i switched to purina cat chow healthy weight formula. i just fed the recommended amount... and they both loved the taste. after a few months max's "special powers" returned... and i got my hero back. purina cat chow healthy weight. >>> we have over 90% of the senate democrats that will vote affirmative. if we just had 20% of our republican colleagues, that's not a heavy ask, not a heavy lift. only 20%. that's nine members, nine member, this thing would be home and we'll see. >> senator joe manchin on "morning joe" today saying he's hopeful, but told kelly o'donnell, quote, we will not get the votes when the senate convenes today to take up the bipartisan gun control bill he crafted with pat toomey. all despite a push from newtown families and a number polls showing overwhelming support for expanding background checks in this country with the senate poised to vote this afternoon, plus the nra is out with a new internet ad. >> president obama and mayor bloomberg are pushing gun control, but america's police say they're wrong. 71% of police say obama's gun ban will have zero effect on violent crime. 80% of police say more background checks will have no effect. 91% say the right answer is swift prosecution and mandatory sentencing. tell your senator to listen to america's police instead of listening to obama. >> joining me now, the woman who broke this story, kelly o'donnell and kelly, i understand you've got more breaking news on this as well. >> craig, there is so much happening here, i've got a couple of things i want to tell you, first, on guns, we were first to report that kelly ayotte, republican of new hampshire, will be making it very difficult for those who are supporting manchin toomey to get that passed, but just seconds ago, we had a loud speaker announcement here at the russell senate office building where police say there is a suspicious package near the office of richard shelby and therefore, they are trying to clear the area. everyone here is on high alert because of what's happened in boston and because of what's happened with a ricin letter, a suspicious letter sent to roger wicker, republican of mississippi. off site, they detected as a mail facility, a letter that contained a white granular s substance that in an initial test proved to be ricin. work on that continues. where i'm standing now, if you can hear overhead, there's sort of a muffle ed sound of police announcing they are clearing the area around richard shelby's office because of a suspicious package. now, that is a function of the world we live in now. there are often circumstances where bags are left and a place considered such a hey value target like the u.s. capitol, there are measures frequently taken. i don't want to be alarmist, i'm just telling you what's happening right now. they have not received alerts updating them on the ricin situation. they were told last night to alert offices in the capitol and in their home states about that and all mail to the u.s. senate has been put on hold while that investigation continues. we have enormous topics unfolding sim ul tan yously here with the expectation that the guns bill on manchin toomey, the expanded background checks, the votes are not there. that is expected to fail. between now and 4:00 p.m., if minds are change echanged, it c changed and we're seeing realtime effects with boston, with the letter and the height bed state we all live in. we'll keep you posted if there are further developments. again, suspicious package here. no immediate concern. i don't believe we're being evacuated. >> thank you so much. again, kelly o'donnell from capitol hill on a suspicious package there, part of the senate being evacuated. as you were speaking, we've gotten confirmation that a letter addressed to the president contained a suspicious substan substance. kristen welker standing by with more on the suspicious letter sent to the president. what can you tell us about this? >> i'm just getting information from the secret service. the letter was received on the 16th. it was addressed to the president containing a suspicious substance received at the remote white house screening mail facility. now, this facility ree teenly identifies letters or parcels that require secondary screening or scientific testing before they're delivered. the secret service white house mail screening facility is remote. it's not located near the white house. and the secret service the working in concert with the fbi and dhs to get to the bottom of this. obviously, a very tense time here in the wake of the bombings in boston. and then that letter that was intercepted to the senator that we learned about, so again, right now, the secret service fbi and dhs investigating a letter addressed to president obama that did contain a substan substance, so that is the latest here from the white house. the briefing by jay kacarney is expected to start within the half hour, so he will undoubtedly get a number of questions about this. president obama scheduled to travel to boston tomorrow, but obviously, people here in d.c. on heightened alert. they have been ever since that bombing on tuesday and this just adding to this concern. >> kristen welker from the white house, jonathan dienst is sta standing by for us as well here in the studio. jonathan, what, if anything, can you add to this? what more with k you tell us about this suspicious letter mailed to the president or the suspicious letter that was also sent to senator richard shelby? >> we are hearing from the secret service that this letter addressed to the president was recovered at that remote screening facility. we started hearing rumblings last night that a letter had been sent to the white house and that the secret service was involved in an investigation and a spokesman did confirm for us this morning that a letter addressed to the president was recovered at that site. it is being tested. they're looking into whether it is connected to the same letters sent to capitol hill. we are hearing from a law enforcement source there's a sektd suspicious letter to senator wicker that they're also taking a look at, but that letter has not been tested yet. >> this would be a second letter on top of the first one, correct? >> that is what we are being told, so that two letters to that senator wicker and one to the white house is what we are hearing and that the one all of them were intercepted at off site locations. after the letters in 2001 and the secret service says they are working closely with the capitol police and fbi in kconnection with the letter addressed to the white house. this letter as opposed to the many other hoax letters and pea materials that get sent through that center certainly raising the attention of secret service and causing this investigation that they are taking this one very seriously. certainly in connection with what happened with the letters to the capitol as well. >> we should note for our viewers at home that none of these letters have tested positive for ricin. nor have officials or authorities connected these letters and or packages. i want to bring in kristen welker again. i believe i heard you saw we are expected to hear from president obama in roughly 30 or 45 minutes? >> no, we're going to hear from jay carney. he is going to be delivering his daily briefing. president obama has spoken to the nation these past two days. at this point in time, we are not education pecexpecting that but these events are fluid. the president will be traveling to boston tomorrow to speak with the victims there, the community of boston, but as of right now, what we are expecting the daily press briefing from white house press secretary, jay carney, who will undoubtedly field a number of questions about this letter that was sent to president obama and intercepted and apparently now according to the secret service, has a suspicious substance and again, the secret service working in concert with the fbi, dhs and other officials to get to the bottom of exactly who is behind sending these letters out. >> kristen welker from the white house, jonathan dienst here in the studio for us, we are going to take a quick break. a number of fluid, breaking stories here at msnbc. 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he will undoubtedly get a number of questions about this letter and of course, the suspicious let es sent to senator wicker. i can tell you that ever since the bombings in boston, craig, pennsylvania avenue has been closed off to foot traffic out of an abundance of caution, really, that is what the secret service had said to us, to clearly, washington, d.c. right now under a heightened alert in the wake of the bombings in boston. we know that president obama will travel to boston tomorrow. he will speak with the victims, their family members, to that community and he has been updated regularly on the situation on the investigation, but again, there is no at this point, knowledge about whether or not these letters have any connection to what happened in boston, but obviously, this community on heightened alert as are major cities. >> as you were speaking, we were able to confirm from a federal law enforcement official that the letter addressed to president obama and the letter addressed to senator wicker are being described as quote very similar to each other. i want to bring in pete williams, who's also standing by for us in washington, d.c. and pete, i understand that there was an initial positive test, but there's really no way to know whether it's really ricin until additional testing is done. >> ever since the anthrax mailings, no mail has gone directly to the white house, capitol hill and many other government offices. it's all sent to off site facilities to test it for various things. both facilities gave an initial positive for a poison called ricin. there were subsequent tests, they were conflicting. but you can't really know for sure what it is until it's sent to a lab and cultured and then you look under a mike scope to see what it is. now, we have seen events in the past, craig, ice ricin is made tr castor beans and someone will just take dried beans and grind them up and put them in a letter. now, that will test positive for ricin even though there's no ricin there. i guess it would be like the difference between poppies and opium. they're related, but it's not the same thing. so you won't know whether it's ricin until later today i'm told is the earliest the test results would come in. that's thing one. thing two is that federal inv investigators believe they know who sent these letters. they say it's someone who has sent threatening letters to government officials before. there's no reason to think it's connected to what happened in boston. >> pete williams with some additional breaking news there. federal officials seem to have a good idea. do stand by. i want to bring jonathan dienst back in. a number of your sources in the nation's capitol, what are your hearing? >> this is precautionary. no final tests in. the statement they told us earlier today, a letter addressed to the president was received at a remote screening facility containing a suspicious substance. we are working closely with capitol police. the letters are similar to the one sent to the capitol, so therefore, you have two letters, probably sent by the same snrt that is now being investigated if any dangerous substance is included inside these mailings. again, they were off site locations. no 100% confirmation. but official field testing is what raised the concern. again, the secret service taking this one very seriously given what happened on the capitol yesterday. >> pete, are you still there? is pete still there? we don't have pete. jonathan, i'll pose the question to you for folks who may not be -- oh, pete is this. how customary is this, pete? i think we heard kristen welker, quite frankly, there are a number of suspicious packages received at these facilities. >> there are and the field tests almost always are wrong, so we have to wait and see. i remember one incident where there was enormous concern about a letter possibly containing anthrax and it turned out to be paper dust. so we have to sort of, all the systems are working right here. they're obviously set for a very low threshold to indicate something positive, so they're waiting to see. think about all the containment here. none of these got to the recipients. they think they know who the sender is. they were stopped. they're testing them now. ricin is very different from anthrax. you can get symptoms if you just touch it. if it's in the air. ricin, you have to ingest. so, it's a completely different kind of thing. it's threatening, it's poisonous, dangerous, but we still don't know if that's what we're dealing with here. >> as we wait on these result, we are also waiting on white house spokesman, jay carney. he is expected to address us at about 11:45. the daily briefing, there will be a lot of questions about this and about the investigation into the boston bombings and a connection perhaps between the two at this point. again, we should note for our viewers, officials are telling us there's no connection at this point. they're not talking about a connection 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you can trust. >>> we are following a number of breaking news stories right now here at msnbc. you're looking at a live picture of the white house briefing room where we are expected to hear from jay carney at roughly 11:45. he will be receiving a number of questions about the suspicious letter received. it was a suspicious letter to president obama right now we're following that. we're also following a suspicious package. richard shelby's office is now confirms that capitol police are investigating a suspicious package at senator shelby's office in russell and at this point, again, at this point, investigator rs saying there's no connection between the suspicious letter, there was a substance found inside, no connection between that an the boston bombings. you're looking at new video we're just getting in. again, this is video from the capitol where that package is being looked at and senator shelby's office, that suspicious package, they're also saying, we have confirmed there are some similarities between two letters, the letter that was sent to the senate, also, the letter sent to the white house. jonathan dienst is standing by right here. results again may be available by late today at the earliest, we understand. >> that's right. they discovered these letters yes and the official lab tests take about 24 hours for that kind of test to be done, but preliminary field testing on both the letters to senator wicker's office and to the white house, both intercepted at off site facilities, have preliminary field tests of positive and appear to be sent by the same person, so that is why there is this concern, this stepped up investigation into the sender of these letters by both the secret service and fbi. and capitol police as they look into who sent these letters, but our senior investigative producer is saying it is the same send r according to his sources and that there are positive field tests in both cases and they are awaiting formal lab results. remember, we see lots of false positives in tests and situations like that. we've seen you know, suspicious powder jobs all across new york city for example, whether there's an initial false positive and it turns out to be a harmless substance, to a deep breath until we know more. but this one, this set of letters causing more concern for law enforcement than the typical false letter. >> we should also note here according to our man down in d.c., pete williams, officials seem to have a pretty good idea about who sent these letters. i want to bring in kelly o'donnell standing by for us at the capitol and when we talked to you just 15 minutes or so ago, you indicated that there was i understand an evacuation of sorts going on. what's the latest? >> i want to be very careful to say what we are watching unfold here is the pru dent work of the u.s. capitol police and it's the kind of thing that when you are in a building of this cig tans, they're prepared to do on a daily basis and there are times these things occur and we don't report on them because there isn't the context that we're seeing now with what has happened in boston and the ricin letters. this is a public building. there has not been an evacuation of this building, the russell senate office building. there has been a clearing of hallways around richard shelby's office and a significant amount of activity from u.s. capitol police. we saw the gentleman with the bomb squad identification on and some heavy equipment rolling down the hallway to take precautions, but again, if you put some judgment in this, they're not evacuating this space, they're taking the steps they would normally take. it is part of the reality at the u.s. capitol. they have been on a heightened state of alert since what happened in boston. sometimes, it has been seemingly minimal things like removing trash cans in public spaces. more security, longer lines for those coming into buildings, but this is a place where any member of the public is able to come into to visit their members of congress. they do go through a screening process. it's also a place where people are visiting. many tourist, people who have bags. we don't know anything about the specifics of what was at the office, but i think what is instructive here is this is an opportunity in a live way to let people see how they respond without raising an undue amount of concern. i think if there were a greater concern, we wouldn't be talking to you from this location. we would have been evacuated. >> again, kelly o'donnell noting there has been a clearing of hallways there at russell. for folks just joining us, on the left side of your screen, we've got the white house briefing room, where we are expecteded to hear from jay carney, he will undoubtedly be getting a lot of questions about three things. first of all, the letter sent to president obama intercepted at an off site facility. also, a package, senator richard shelby's office confirming that capitol police are investigating a suspicious package at the senator's office. again, there has not been an evacuation there. also, we got word a short time ago there was another letter perhaps an additional letter, a suspicious letter sent to senator wicker, so those are the three things we expect along with the boston bombing investigation. kelly, i want to bripg you back in right now because you broke the story on the richard shelby suspicious package there. any new information on that? >> we have reached out to authorities here who are taking the weigait and see approach. there were overhead announcements made to alert people in the media. i've talked to a couple of senators in the time in between visiting with you and they have not been given any additional alerts and there is a standard practice here that the chiefs of staff, senators personally and their top aides get alerts if there is a reason for extreme caution. this is a place well versed in responding to concerns. this is part of how the system works. when i've talked to senators with respect to the ricin letters, they were told in a briefing that the writer of the suspicious letter is known to authorities because he or she writes to members of congress frequently. that you can imagine does happen quite a bit. so, they are prepared for that. their offices were told to be on alert. again for those who aren't familiar, ever since 2001 and the anthrax attacks here at the capitol, all mail is tested off site in suburban maryland here, so all of the delivery of mail to the senate is on hold. it continues for the u.s. house as they do these tests. as we've been reporting, there were two initial tests on the letter. a white granular substance that proved to be ricin, but there can be false positives and more can be on the way. a culturing of that process should be able later today to know if that substance was in fact ricin. but everyone is responding to it as if this is something that needs to have their high attention, so we don't have much in the way of an official response except what we're observing and because i've worked in this place for a long time, we get a chance to see these routines play out in various levels of alert. today, obviously, everyone is is on point. >> kelly o'donnell from the c capitol, again, i don't think we can stress this enough, not only are officials being careful not to draw any connections between what's happening right now at the capitol and on monday in boston, they are saying at this point, there is no connection between these ricin letters and what happened in boston on monday. we'll take a quick break. we'll come back. we'll update all these stories right after this. i'm telling you right now, the girl back at home would absolutely not have taken a zip line in the jungle. 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>> right. what you have here is letters that were sent they believe by the same person. they believe they know who it was, a person in mississippi sent the letters to a senator and to the white house. both of them were intercepted at the off-site mail facilities that are now routinely used to process all incoming mail in washington to government facilities. this has been going on since after the anthrax mail attacks of a decade ago. initially they tested positive for a poison known as ricin, but field tests are frequently wrong. they're intended to be set at a very low threshold to signal what things you want to set aside for further testing. so the materials in both these letters have been sent to a laboratory for analysis. they basically take the stuff, put it on plates and culture it, and then once the cultures grow, and that takes time, they can analyze it and see what it really is. the earliest we think we'll get the results of that, they believe, is late tonight, perhaps early tomorrow to know for sure what it was. so in the meantime they're not making any arrests, we're told. they're waiting to see what the material is. there's simply no way to know whether these were merely threatening letters or dangerous letters. >> senator mitch mcconnell talked about the ricin letters just a short time ago. let's take a listen. >> the last few days have been trying once for our nation. monday's attack in boston reminded us that terrorism can still strike anywhere at any time. and as yesterday's news of an attempt to send ricin to the capitol reminds us, it's important as ever to take the steps necessary to protect americans from those who would do us harm. >> kelly o'donnell continues to stand by for us there at the capitol as we wait for white house spokesman jay karney to take the podium. talk to me a bit about the mood there. as the senator just pointed out, there have been a number of developments in this country over the past few days to say the least. what's the mood like? >> i've been talking to lawmakers about all of these events. you can be absolutely certain they are concerned. it began, of course, with the empathy and concern about what's happened in boston, and a commitment from an oversight perspective to get as much done as upon to deal with that. they've been getting breeched, and then you have the ricin letter, and it brings back the legitimate concerns that lawmakers have about the u.s. capitol as a potential target, even for someone who is angry about a given subject, angry about the government, or perhaps something more sinister. we just don't know yet. it's fair to say that on a very regular basis, there is some level at discontent that is aimed at lawmakers. i think that's a mild way to describe it. it comes in letters and phone calls o in talking with senators, they have said to me they consider this to be something they take seriously. i would say i have gotten no sense of any particular alarm, but they are well trained in being careful about this. they have an opportunity with the u.s. capitol police to get some guidance about that. now, in terms of members of congress, the vast majority don't have any particular security when they travel, just members of leadership have that, and so there are opportunities when there's a heightened sense of alert to have more presence. we've certainly seen a greater presence, but it's a place that's living and breathing and going about the way it normally does. we're in tourist season, plenty of tourists here, certainly the normal business of washington, where people come and meet with their lawmakers, so that's continuing. that certainly is a sign of how important it is to just keep things moving and to stay on point. >> kelly, thanks. thanks also to pete williams and kristin welker as well. again, we are waiting on jay carney to take the podium there to answer some questions about that suspicious letter. he will undoubtedly also be talking about the latest on the investigation to the boston bombings and the suspicious package that's being investig e investigated? senator shelby's office. that wraps things up for me. "now with alex wagner" is up next. what do you have. >>> we're following the breaking news regards the suspicious letter and awaiting for press secretary jay carney to take the podium. the search forrens as continues meanwhile, in boston with new details about the construction of the two bombs. mike at leiter will join us to discuss. plus behind the explosion of home-grown extremist groups. we'll talk about a new report on so-called patriot groups. >>> in the aftermath of boston, what is the future for reform efforts on guns and immigration. luke russert and bob herbert join the panel. all that and more, coming up next. and do you know your... blood type? a or b positive?? have you eaten today? i had some lebanese food for lunch. i love the lebanese. i... i'm not sure. enough of the formalities... lets get started shall we? jimmy how happy are folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico? happier than dracula volunteering at a blood drive. we have cookies... get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for him, he's agreed to give it up. that's today? 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overhead and a report from pete williams. he has been right on this one from the beginning. they do believe they know where suspect number two is holed up here in the watertown. >> not just people but also mass transit through this area. everything shut down. terry mcsweeney, thank you so much. we will be checking with you in just a bit. >>> it is so interesting to see the a.p. news report that we are getting in about that suspect they are looking for, dzhokhar tsarnaev. his father is claiming his son is an angel, a second-year medical student. he called him a very intelligent boy and expected him to come on holidays here. >>> the "associated press" reporting that the suspect at-large was awarded a $2500 scholarship from cambridge, massachusetts, to pursue higher education back in 2011. >> certainly, smart in the classroom. >> learning a lot about the suspect this morning. we also know friday morning, people looking lockleally to th weekend ahead. beautiful morning. >>> the time, 6:09. taking a live look at the bridge. we have a few ripple out there on the water. a lot more calm. 47
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Apr 19, 2013 11:00am PDT
watertown. >> lester holt in watertown, mississippi. before we go to pete williams, one question for richard engel. by the fact you have been around so many weapons and fire fights over the past ten years of your life. if you have been around any weapons, listening to the audio you can almost tell which ones are the .9mm reports and which one are the versions of the m-4 rifle. since the good guys had had, let's assume, laser sights, night vision, but also these good guys are not used to active connective fire fights. i'm surprised it didn't end with two dead suspects. >> i'm surprised it didn't end right there with that much gunfire. clearly there was a lot going down. you saw that one high velocity round that wednesday through the wall and soon in the reporter's calendar on the wall. how the other brother wasn't hit and wasn't killed in the scene is very remarkable. but if he was going fast and there was lots of cars in the way and it was nighttime, somebody missed him. >> nobody is finding fault. goodness knows it's the fog of war in an suburban environment. as promised to d.c. we
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Apr 15, 2013 7:00pm EDT
again. pete williams in our washington bureau. pete, it probably bears repeating at this point while people may be seeing other aspects of security at their local airport train station, no reason to think this is anything beyond the boylston street bombings that we saw in boston. >> reporter: that's right. according to the officials i have talked to tonight, brian. of course they are still trying to figure out precisely what it was that happened in boston. we know that there were two bombs, but they are still saying there might have been others planted along the route of the marathon. packages found on the street were deemed suspicious and were being destroyed tonight. we still have not heard any firm confirmation of whether at least the five other packages actually were explosive devices, although some officials say there is reason to think they were. there is no suspect in custody. but people are very interested in questioning a young person with a student visa who has burns and was seen by witnesses running fromar. suspes are form. several officials say the two bombs that did go o
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Apr 17, 2013 5:30pm PDT
. our justice correspondent pete williams has been following the investigation all day. he's in our d.c. newsroom tonight. pete, good evening. >> reporter: brian, good evening. the fbi is pursuing very promising leads. one in particular tonight thanks to the abundance of pictures and videos rounded up in the two days since the bombing. we are getting a close-up look at how the bombs were made. >> guys, guys, guys. no way. >> reporter: the fbi says it is getting exactly what it asked for. pictures from several sources showing someone carrying a heavy backpack or duffel bag and placing it at the spot where one bomb went off. one of the most promising images, they say, comes from a department store surveillance camera high up on a building, able to look down at the crowd. on a day when incorrect news reports of an arrest distracted officials, investigators were working aggressively to discover, find, and interview that person. that's at the scene of the second bombing following the first by about 15 seconds. it's that second spot shown on this picture sent to nbc station whdh showing a gar
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Apr 17, 2013 11:00am PDT
are just not comfortable based on our sources at this hour reporting that. so pete williams is correct in saying that this is all over the map right now. the one thing that appears to be clear is that either video or still pictures or a combination of both have led law enforcement officials to at least zero in on someone. had this just into us. investigators have obtained vud owe of a person placing a black bag down near the scene of the blast. the footage came from the department store's camera. this is information we have already reported. video or stills that will give them imagery and give them at least the first road to go down when going down through the streets of boston and looking for who to pick up. various media accounts right now as to whether or not someone is in custody. someone is fully under arrest. we will leave the air now and we will hop back on the air. we learn anything different or receive any official confirmation. so for now for our team, we'll remain in place. i'm brian williams, nbc news, new york. >>> that breaking news, a new development in the bosto
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Apr 19, 2013 4:30am PDT
brother to get away. >> pete williams, we have more information about these two suspects. terror suspects in the boston marathon attacks. dzhokar tsarnaev. an interesting piece of information that they have been residing in the united states for a period up to ten years according to pete's latest reporting. we'll continue of course to follow this and remind you that in watertown, massachusetts, a huge manhunt is under way right now as authorities try to find this fugitive. we'll take a turn now and get a check of the weather from al who is here with me in new york. >> as we take a look at chicago live right now, they are dealing with floodwaters. a lot of infrastructures have been damaged. the water has not started to recede because we have runoff going. over seven inches in some areas pouring into rivers, streams and lakes. we're going to continue to monitor this situation. as far as your weekend is concerned, good news is rain is over. that's good. no more rain falling into the tributaries there. look for mountain snows. rain in the pacific northwest. sunny and hot through the
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Apr 16, 2013 10:00am PDT
by our own pete williams that we're talking about two bombs, pressure cookers, loaded with some sort of material in backpacks. >> well actually the news accounts over the last 24 hours have gotten much better as you know. i think that the fbi and the boston police department and the state police have done a good job of sorting some of the early data and getting the information out to the public. i thought the governor's position was very helpful. >> what are you hearing from the white house? what help are you getting from them? >> well, you note that the president in his press conference or at least his remarks, indicated for the first time that it was an act of terror. i think that given the aftermath of the richard jewel situation back in atlanta. that the white house was cautionary, but declaring this is an ak of terror it means it was undertaken in a sophisticated manner. let me say that the place where these two bombs exploded near the lennox hotel, behind the boston public library, on boylston street, it is the apex of where everybody gathers at the end of the marathon. people
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Apr 17, 2013 2:00am PDT
news chief justice correspondent pete williams has the very latest. >> reporter: investigators have begun the process of recovering tiny pieces of the bombs to learn how they were made. they say it appears the devices were assembled inside pressure cooker pots similar to this one, packed with bbs, ball bearings and nails. pressure cookers have been used for decades in terror bombings. instructions for making them appear on the internet, including just last month in an al qaeda magazine "inspire." investigators say the explosion in boston was smokeless powder, gunpowder like this available at sporting goods stores, not something more powerful like dynamite. and they believed they were carried in the scene in dark nylon bags and set off by timers. the area was checked twice for bombs but there was no security screening. >> because there is unrestricted access to the racecourse, simply because it's 28 miles long, people can come and go and bring items in and out. >> reporter: authorities searched the apartment of a foreign student injured in the blast and seen run ago way but they foun
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Apr 17, 2013 10:00am PDT
>>> right now, heightened alert. the secret service intercepts a her possibly laced with ricin, and similar to a letter sent to mississippi's senator roger wicker. more precise tests are under way. we're following late breaking details from the white house, homeland security and capitol hill. >>> in boston today, the city mourns monday's victims, and a favorite son gets emotional on capitol hill. >> i've talked this week with friends and family up there, as recently as this morning, and the granddaughter of a very, very close supporter and friend of mine, through all my political career, is fighting to keep both of her legs. boston is not going to be intimidated by this, but we're going to find out who did this. >>> the fbi releases the first pictures of the bombs used in monday's attacks. while investigators follow up on more than 2,000 eyewitness tips. >> there is no current indication to suggest the attas walks indicative, but out of an abundance of caution, we continue to keep in place enhanced security measures, both seen and unseen. >> we're learning more about the three who died including graduate student lingzu dislu and krystle campbell, who went to the marathon to cheer for her friend. >> she was always smiling. you couldn't ask for a better daughter. i can't believe this has happened. she's such a happy worker at everything she did. this doesn't make any sense. >>> as boston comes to grips with monday's tragedy, the newtown families are dealing with an unexpected blow as the senate prepares for key blows today on background checks. joe manchin tells nbc news he doesn't have the votes. >> we have over 90% of the senate democrats that will vote affirmative. if we just had 20% of our republican colleagues, that's not a heavy ask, not a heavy lift. in west virginia, gun show background and criminal checks for gun shows, 83% of west virginiaens support it in one of toughest gun culture in the country. 86% across the board. >>> but they can't get to 60. good day on "andrea mitchell reports" in washington. as the fbi is learning more about the bombs used, capitol hill is now on alert. suspicious letters are being tested. they're targeting senators, and we have learned president obama as well. we should calling there's always the possibility of fats positives in the initial screening machines. joining me -- pete, first to you, what are we learning about these letters and the possibility of ricin? >> the possibility is the word, andrea. sent from a single person in mississippi, authorities believe they know who has done this. they've questioned that -- and they're waiting to see what the results are on them. ricin is made from castor beans. we've seen this happen in the past, someone will grind up castor beans, put them in an envelope, and that will trip the indicators that are looking for ricin, sort of like the difference between opium and poppies. they come from the same thing, but they're not the same thing. so they have these preliminary tests that -- for the last decade, no mail goes directly to the white house or lots of other government buildings. they have these -- they can't know for certainly until it's cultured, then they'll examine it. there may be more than these letters. whether it really contains ricin or not, we probably won't know until probably the very earliest later today or tomorrow. >> there are, there was a letter to saginaw, michigan office of carl levin and we should also point out that ricin, while poisonous is for the like anthrax. anthrax can be terribly, terribly dangerous. i wanted to bring in mike at leiter in as well. from your assessment and your sources, how is this proceeding, the fbi 2,000 tips, getting pictures, putting together the pieces of what these bombs were, what they were made of, how far have they gotten, do you know? >> i think they're doing quite well. we're not yet 48 hours in. we're getting there now, and they now have a pretty good idea about these devices. they know how many, they have a sense of how they were carried to the side, so that's a huge piece. from surveillance cameras that were in place from the city of boston, businesses in the area, and of course all of the photos and surveillance movies that people got on that you are iphones and everything else. there's been an enormous amount of work. with the central be gens agencies, they're seeing if they can -- or human intelligence to point in the direction. all of those things are think over the coming days and weeks will sloely by correlated. i think if things go well, they could -- in the come days. >> pete williams, is there any problems respect as far as you know to whether this is domestic or foreign. >> not yet. they still haven't identified who did it. many of the materials in the bomb were made in china, but lots of things are made in china, widely available here then the other is looks at these pictures. they have identified several things that stand out to them. but that would be a process of elimination. >> there have been questions to why we talk about the devices. the fbi is putting pictures out, because they want us to let people know what has been used. >> but just to be clear, these pictures were actually not released by the fbi or the government. we've gotten or hands on them, because they were either in intelligence bulletins, or i've never seen this many pictures this early in an investigation. i think the fbi shared them with some of their intelligence partners overseas who leaked them to an overseas news agency who put the pictures out there. but all these pictures, very surprising. >> it is surprising. thanks for the correction. part of the investigating procedures is, do you know someone who has been collecting they materials? >> absolutely. at pete said, over the past tense years they had warned local authorities, so that was inevitable. it's unfortunate that really sensitive information also needs to be protected, because the fbi, this is such a fluid investigation, they can't allow investigates to get out. it might warn the people they are looking for, or release -- >> so it's obviously on our shoulders to make sure that is protected in conjunction with the fbi and making sure we're not reporting on things that shouldn't be out there. >> the events in boston, facing a likely defeat of new gun laws. david grer goir join me now. david, you've been tracking this, kelly has following every in and out of it. echblg joe biden was telling people last night they were two both short. >> even hide camp said she's now not for it. >> it could be just among a small -- the reality is the background checks appear to be going by the wayside as has the magazine back. there are other taemds as a part of this. that would be part of the final package. make no mistakes they are prepared to come on the blasting on this, to make the point that republicans say what repeatedly is a 90% issue. >> and kell, from what you're hearing on the hill, there's no chance they're not going to proceed to these votes. they're goods to go ahead and force the votes even though they know they can't beat the filibuster? >> that is a question we have raised. every person involved says yes, they're going forward with the votes. they want the opportunity to be on record. one of the strategies that was talked about, but ultimately did not come to pass was the idea of taking at the initial votes on the assault weapons back and the high-capacity magazines. politically speaking, that would allow some members to get a no vote on record, and then perhaps in a better space politically to vote yes on background checks, but harry reid and mitch mcconned have put together this deal to vote on nine amendments, all related to guns, various aspects that will begin at 4:00 today. they agreed that it would be a 60-vote threshold. had republicans agreed to not put that 60-vote threshold in place, certainly democrats had enough, but they do not have all of their members, and there are only at this point three republicans who were speaking publicly, a fourth john mccain has given all the indications that he would vote yet for the expanded background checks. one thing we have heard, especially in talking in corners and hallways with some of those red state democrats, what i have heard is their offices have been lighting up with phone calls from people in their states, who do not support this. so we've talked a lot about the newtown families, ggabby giffords's influence here. what they're telling me is their own states highcamped said the people in don't want this. >> i was so struck by joe manchin saying it was 86% supported in west virginia. >> he believes that really stonily. >> by lisa murkowski, and probably others going against -- jeff flake -- is that how you explain it, the pressure on them? >> one of the issue says those members who have rural states are very concerned not about the over-arching idea, but the day-to-day bureaucratic piece that would become part of this. they're saying in law-abiden live -- they had would have to go to that location to do a background check, and those members who are talking about this say that's too great of a burden on law-abiding gun owners. that's kind of the small piece within this bigger story that's making it very difficult for some people who, on the surface you would think would vote for it. why they are voting against at this point there are other -- he said while they may lose this today, in fact he flat-out said he wouldn't have the votes, he will hope to bring it back. >>> not giving some of these republicans the room, that's what manchin was concerned about. there have been supporter who said the nra was effectively tea partied by more conservative elements of the gun lobby, making it more difficult for the nra to step back and not score, in the language of capitol hill, and hold them accountable. of course you also have the reality -- if it's a tough vote. >> and they know that it is unlikely to succeed in the house. some of them are arguing why should i walk the plank on this? is there also a big-picture look at this, those who have taken a tough vote for them on immigration, or preparing to, don't want to risk two different votes at the same time? >> you look at the analysis for marco rubio. he's stilling with the right on the issue of background checks. yeah, these are tough issues. you're already hearing some of the noises about whether boston and a renewed focus on counterterror will somehow impact the immigration push. we remember well what happened after 9/11 when president bush pursued it. it was simply taken off the table because of 9/11. >> david, it still strikes me in the aftermath of boston and newtown at some point if they don't stand up for something and fight a filibuster, that there's going to be a backwash from this. americans are going to stand up and say, what are you doing is it and whom are you representing? people in this country are really hurting. people even people outside of boston. >> you have an issue with big-time public support. i don't think that overcomes the differences in our gun culture in the country the politics simply have not moved enough. the big question is whether we're heading interest a position where there will actually be a big backlash politically, but let's not forget as well how much of the gun debate animates public safety, and not only political debates, but even have some role in this horrible event in boston. don't forget, back in the oklahoma city bombing kay tim mcveigh originally went to waco to protest the brady bill. so these are very tough issues on all sides. >> and we don't know what we're dealing with yet. >> no, not yet. >> david, thank you kelly, you have a busy day up there. thank you for taking time. >> sure. >>> and chris jansing is in boston on top of the latest developments there. chris, it appears now today you're closer to the bombing site? >> we've hearing all along that police wanted things to get back to normally, a weird word to use when you've had a tragedy. as quickly as possible. this is an area of commerce. you can see the big white medical tent that was essentially used as a trauma center in the aftermath. this is by far the closest we have gotten to that crime scene. we also learned today at times there's been as many as 100 investigators working this crime scene. they will continue to shrink it. they believe they definitely are making progress, both in findings parts of the bomb being analyzed, looking at all those individual photographs, and pieces of video, looking for a suspe suspect. >> there was also an interesting analysis. an assist found 6% higher police presence this year at the marathon than the last. of course they are looking at every aspect of this. you can see the activity behind me, andrea. >> and chris, what we're hearing now is these ghastly injuries, just horrendous, the amputations, the terrible lower extremity injuries, it's clear these devices were designed to maim and kill. >> reporter: there's no doubt about it. when you hear the descriptions from some of the trauma doctors. i talked to one of the heads of the trauma department at mass general today, it is absolutely astonishing, nails and bbs being embedded in little children. as you probably know, initially there were 176 people that went to hospitals. the good news geographically you have six top trauma centers within a mile and a half of where this occurred. of the 69 who are still in the hospital, 19 we learned today are critical. at least three of them are children. a 9 and a 10-year-old, and over at boston medical center, there is a 5-year-old boy fighting for his life, as well as a man who is in his 60s. you mentioned the fact there have been amputations. we know at least nine people have had one or more limits amputated. when you look at the challenges ahead, it will be to try to save some of the limbs of the people who are still struggling. having said that, the doctors say that these folks are improving, that they are really feeling very positive about the progress that many of these patients have been making, and so they are hoping that it will continue in that direction. just one more thing. i should tell you we did learn the name of the third victim. as we have been reporting, she was a graduate student at boston university, majoring in constituents. her name is lingzu lu, a native of china. her parents and family members apparently interviewed in chinese media. she was an only child. she had gone to the race with two of her friends, one of whom went to the hospital. we believe, andrea, is still hospitalized. >> everyone was withholding the name, the family had not been fully notified. there were grandparents involved, a terrible, terribly sad story for this young graduate student. there were a number of chinese-born graduate students, chinese natives at boston university, and of course the boston community is filled with foreign students studying there. so really sad case there. >>> when we talk about some of the terrible injuries, we know of one family where two adult brothers each lost a limb, each lost a leg. we know the young sister of martin richard, was an amputee. the doctors are trying to save limbs, but they're really trying to save lives. that is the essential ingredient here. >> when you talk to his doctors, and it's heartbreaking, they say this is one of the most different decision a surgeon has to make. having said that, you looked at the extent of some of the injuries, and it was absolutely evident to everyone that looked at some, that there was no way even the best of modern medicine they could not be saved, but they would always have two surgeons look and make that determination. they wanted to be absolutely sure that nothing could be done. it's never more heart-wrenching for them than in the case of children. we've heard doctors talking about the fact that the idea of looking at a young kid and living the rest of their lives without a leg was almost more they could bear. to that point earlier today, i was talking to frank keating, governor of oklahoma during the oklahoma city bombings. he was saying that 18 years later, we're almost to the 18th anniversary, there are still people who are suffering from post traumatic stress. most of them are first-responders. when i asked him what is the biggest concern going forward, he said that for many who had to deal with this trauma, many in that tent behind me, it's going to be months even a year from now when they start to feel the impact of what they have seen, what they have experienced, and that is going to be a very big challenge for the folks here in boston who responded to heroically, andrea. >> thank you so much. a thought of those people wo responded heroically are civilians who applied anything they could as a tourniquet, and the fact is that emts often do not have tourniquets on their vehicles, and it's something that really needs to be done. i spoke to surgeons here today myself, who said that is a key factor often in saving a limb. we'll be back in just a moment. support for boston continues to pour in, especially from new york. where the once rival cities have come together to mourn. >>> new yorkers and boston have a bit of, you know, a competition oftentimes the two cities accusing each other of various levels of suck-itude, but it's in situations like this where we realize it's clearly a sibling rivalry, and that we are your brothers and sisters in this type of event. as a city that knows the feeling of confusion, anger and grief and chaos that comes with these events, i can tell you from personal experience, you've got a hell of a city going there, and you've done an incredible job in the face of all of this. carfirmation. only hertz gives you a carfirmation. hey, this is challenger. i'll be waiting for you in stall 5. it confirms your reservation and 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bombing. what they are working from is exactly what they asked for, which is all sorts of pictures and all kinds of surveillance material to see if they could see anything doing what they thought happened here, which is carrying a heavy duffel bag or heavy backpack and setting it down in the area where the bombs were set off. they had found pictures like that, they say, but they tell us it's too soon to say whether they have, quote/unquote, a suspect or not. they are pursuing these pictures, trying to identify who the people are. i asked authorities a short time ago whether they were ready to show these pictures to the public, and they said no, we're not there yet. they say they're making very fast progress in narrowing down all these pictures they have received to focus in on what they want to look at, which is people in the areas where they believe the bombs were placed setting down things they believe the bombs were carried in. they have those vectors matching up. now the question is, are the people they see doing that the actual bomber, or is this a coincidence? are they witnesses. but to say they have a suspect we're told is not correct at this point. >> pete, thank us very much. >>> tom ridge was the first director of homeland security, and he joins me now. you heard pete williams. in an investigation, they see a picture, they want to talk to obviously anyone who might be seen putting down a package. that doesn't mean a person is a suspect, but certain -- >> when pete was given the description, it reminded me of the times that you and i, a lot of americans buy those 1,000 or 5,000-piece puzzle. magnify that by a million. they have more pictures or videos that you can imagine, but they'll do it in a me tick las incremental way just as they're picking up pieces of evidence on the scene, they'll do the same thing with the picture puzzle from all the video undoubtedly they received. it's a good and appropriate investigative technique. >> you know what goes on in a situation like this. obviously we have a suspect or suspects at large, who produced a terror attack and killed people. so there is a real impetus to get answers, a political impetus obviously there's pressure to get answers, but at the same time the worst thing would be to go after the wrong people. what's going on right now? you see here people saying we need answers, you hear people on the hill saying it, people in the white house quietly telling reporters we want answers, what should be the mode of the fbi and the people in charge? >> well, i don't think we have to be concerned at all about the sense of urgency that all the -- the small army of investigators, state, local, federal, but it's a very difficult process. remember how long it took us to identify the perpetrator after the '96 atlanta bombing. it took quite some time. but -- that's why i think we want answers, we live in a just in time world, but it's more complicated than that, and i think empeet should be all sure, the i want said everything that needs to be done is being identified. it maybe by months, it may be years, just let the process work itself out. >>> we've had a scattering of suspicious letters and packages. plim gnarl tests indicate ricin in the letters to senator wicker, and they were intercepted at the off-site facility. a lot of these are procedures you helped put in place. post-9/11, the anthrax attack happened a month later. we at nbc were victim to one of the attacks, and there was no relationship. the immediate response is oh, we're under siege again, but there was no relationship. anthrax is far more serious, more lethal. tell us what goes on in making sure these suspicious packages are also identified. >> some say we go back to the future. we had the 9/11 incident and the there can letters, most of which we are hoaxes, but obviously several people died. the fact of the matter is the infrastructure that's been built through a series of administrations to preempt this kind of incursion, this toxic incursion to the hill, that facility was build under the postmaster general with the great support of congress. the fact that you look at what happened in boston -- this is a story that will be written i think in greater details when the time is right. the fire services, the police, mcsill services folks rushed to the scene immediately. the hospitals were prepared for mass casualty events. the communication lines were open. the coordination was full and complete. that didn't happen by accident. there's an infrastructure that wasn't in place before 9/11 that's available now. i suspect when we look back, boston got quite a bit of money in grants, we're sharing information, did training and exercises, so at the end of the day i used to say homeland security may be a federal agencies, it's a national mission, you have to train together and fight together, and the after-action report i think should be kudos to the men and women who responded so beautifully. and psychological people ran to the hospital to give blood, ran to the fire, resiliency is not only an infrastructure, but psychology. i think we're demonstrating in boston we're a pretty resilient country. >> one quick factual question. letters don't just go to senators or the white house any longer. they go to the interim facility. everything is screened off-site. >> everything is channeled will you a special facility built post-/9/11, post the anthrax scares. obviously i think the field tests are probably a bit better too these days. we had so many false-positives, but way back then we were talking about ricin during the anthrax attacks. in 2003, i think there was a ricin-related arrest and prosecution in great britain. i believe they were from northern africa, using ricin. so people have been paying attention to this for quite some time, but that facility was built in response. >> thank you very much. >>> and "sweet caroline" the unofficial boston anthem played in an unusual setting 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[ bells tolling ] >>> queen elizabeth, leading dignitaries from around the world at the sermonian funeral of margaret thatcher in london. benjamin netanyahu, henry kissinger and george shultz were there. she received full military honors, adorned with white roses. there were some protests along the route. the funeral's $15 million price tag is also causing controversy, with prominent politicians saying she was too diadvicive a figure. margaret thatcher died of a stroke last month at age 87. >>> more than 100 federal, state and local investigators are scouring a 12-block stretch around boylston street for clues to who was responsible for the bombing. mark mazetti is a correspondent for "new york times," and author of "the way of the knife." about the secret drone war. first of all, mark, congratulations on the book. >> thank you very much. >> rave reviews and extraordinary reporting here. first about boston and what we know. there's a great deal of interest about whether this could have been foreign or domestic. we don't know that yet. this is a very common type of homemade incendiary device. >> pete williams gave the latest on where the federal authorities are zeroing in on suspects. the big sort of story yesterday was the construction of the bombs and whether speculatively, the bombers could have taken any inspiration from an online magazine only al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. even if that was the case, it wouldn't tell you if it was foreign or domestic. the point of the magazine was to tell everyone how to go do something. it could be someone linked to international terrorism or not. this is sort of the proliferation of some of these ideas, it certainly doesn't pinpoint any one specific thing. >> i also wanted to asked but a report, the bipartisan report on torture, came out yesterday, would have received a lot more attention if not for the often tragedy and investigation in boston. this is a bipartisan report co-authored by asa hutchinson who was in the bush administration, and came to this conclusion very reluctantly, he said, that torture was used, it was used not just in the waterboarding, it has not been acknowledged, and it was not productive. what is your take away from all of this? >> certainly as my colleagues scott shane reported yesterday, this is the most thorough look at the program, bipartisan look that we know of -- that we've seen so far. there is another report classified by the senate intelligence committee. having this bipartisan label on this report, because of its thoroughness, i think it will have a lot of clout. the issue, as you know, has been using torture -- using the term "tore curl" because torture is illegal, has been a subject of debate. these memos were all written to say these techniques are not torture. to have this report out that says let's not mince words, this was torture, i think maybe will change the materials of the debate. >> at it's described in this report, the white house lawyers in the bush white house went through legal ackro battics to say it was not torture, precisely because under the hague conventions you have war crime possibilities of charges that becomes a big foreign policy problem. that's one of the reasons why the state department was so opposed to the waterboarding under colin powell. >> exactly. to have it labeled -- so then you get into the territory of were crimes committed? and what kind of future implications there are for that. >> briefly, before i let you go. we do want to talk about it in more detail, the book. the appreciate now to move the program from the cia back to where many say it afc belonged in the military where there could be more oversight. what you've uncovered is the extent of secret relationships with pakistan, things that have never been reported, never been revealed, i guess, to other than the intel gens community? >> i think when you look at the history of the secret war since 9/11, there's so much that's gone on in the shadows that we have not known about and not certainly told to the public or told to congress. as you said, pressure is building to become more transparent. president obama set in the state of the union there would be more transparency, and we'll see what happens. >> the book is "the way of the knife." the author mark mazzetti, congratulations. >> thank you very much. >>> they're gathering to bury the state officer. the young diplomat's funeral is being held in river forest, illinois. smell she was on her way to deliver books to an afghan, she served as the escort officer for the secretary of state john kerry who reflected on her legacy today. >> i met her on my last vitt, earlier in the week, and i sat with her parents, and we swapped story about her enthusiasm, her energy, her vitality she really wanted to make a difference in the lives of people she had never met, and she was. so ann and ambassador stevens are really cut from the same cloth, and that is frankly what made them such outstanding americans as well as members of the state department family. one can cost you overoue $4 a meal per person? 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good men and women working off-site and were able to catch it. >> senator, the story of the day up there is obviously the gun compromise, why do we think it's failing. joe martialing says he thinking they short of the votes to stop the filibuster. it doesn't seem as though enough republicans are coming over. what is so difficult about this compromise procedure, which is not the university background checks? this is a very -- a much more narrow proposal. >> andrea, i agree with you. i'm bewildered. i just came off the floor, making the case while this is a step forward, it is really a small step forward, and a small response to the families in newtown and aurora, and of the sikh temple, and throughout virginia tech that we commend rated just the other day, it's such a small step forward,ity we can't seem to get the courage of some people to support the beginning and moving of the national conversation that creates greater gun safety. we have more guns in this country than any other nation, over 300 million guns owned by only 40% of the population. i can't understand, in addition to the background checks why we allow assault weapons on the streets that can fire multiple shots, ultimately for the purpose of, in my mind, killing not about hunting. you don't need those types of shots to go hunting action and why you can't get reasonable gun control measures that go through a background check to at least ensure universally that someone who should not have access to guns, buff criminal records or mental illness, ultimately can't be reviewed and stopped from owning a gun. so if those are the way the votes come down, it will be incredibly disappointments. >> some said they could take a vote on immigration, but not that plus guns. do you see a linkage there? how about that fare? >> well, look, i don't link the two. i think that clearly the whole question of votes on common-sense gun safety and universal background checks is about life and death. and in fact, i don't know how many of us would be okay with the counsel of patience and delay when we could have acted to prevent a neighbor or a loved one from being killed by a gun that ultimately we could have prevented access to. on the immigration bill, i just believe our immigration system americans believe that as well. it is time to fix it. we have a spectrum of eight senators that have come together, republicans and democrats from totally different parts of the nation with a common sense proposal, that ensures our security in the country. at the same time, make sure we can promote our economic prosperity and continue to make the american dream a reality as a nation of immigrants that obeys laws. and so, it's time to fix it and i think we've got the best start that i have seen in nearly 20 years in congress of trying to pursue immigration reform. >> when do you think it will get to the floor? >> i'm sorry? >> i'm sorry, when do you think the immigration bill, the proposal, will actually get to the floor for votes. fz well, i think we will start off with the judiciary committee hearing this week. we will continue to move in the judiciary committee. i think we will get a positive result there. move to the floor. it is my hope that that can be accomplished in may and that we would see debate on the floor on the immigration bill in june. you know, goodwilled individuals who can improve the bill. we welcome them. i know there are some members, if i had ten angels swearing from above this would be the best legislation for the country in reforming our system and securing our country, promoting economic opportunity and preserving the american dream, that they would say it is still not good. but i think we will get a good foundation of support, enough to beat the filibuster, enough to move forward with the strong vote and create some positive dynamic in the house. >> senator mendez, chairman of the immigration committee, thanks for being with us. >>> now back to boston and boston nbc native ann thompson reporting. now we are hearing reports they may have strong leads. we don't know how to characterize -- what is the appropriate characterization, but they've seen a lot of video and there are strong leads. we are hearing there may be developments we hope. this would be very fast, though, if it happens. >> reporter: it would be very fast and certainly would be a relief, andrea, to people here in boston. i can tell you for the last 48 hours this city has truly been stagger had. i would describe it as being pierced in the heart given what happened at the boston marathon. the marathon is both a very large celebration of people coming together and something very personal because almost everybody here has a connection to the marathon. they know somebody who has run it. they run it themselves. they've gone and cheered smor someone so the idea that police could be targeting somebody, zeroing in on someone this quickly, would really make a lot of people here very happy and in the last 48 hours, there has not been very much to be happy about. andrea? >> and ann, people are going back to work and school and dealing with this in trying to get back to whatever kind of normal, if you can call it normal, life there is, in boston. >> they are going back to work, andrea. a lot of schools have this week off for spring break. it comes a little later in massachusetts, as does spring. but yeah, people are trying to go back and do things certainly the city seems much livelier today than just yesterday. but at the same time, there is a new cautiousness, a new awareness about what could possibly happen to them. because nobody expected anyone would ever attack the boston marathon. certainly that was never in the general public's mind. now that it happened, people are far more aware of their surroundings. andr andrea. >> as a boss bostonian, let me just share, that if "sweet caroline" can be played in yankee stadium, maybe democrats and republicans can come together. >> reporter: i had that exact thought today when i heard them singing "sweet caroline" at yankee stadium. this is an nbc report. here's brian williams. >> good day pr new york. we wanted to come on the air to report some rapid movement in the investigation into the terrorist bombing at the finish line of the boston marathon. let's go to our justice correspondent pete williams in washington. we're seeing a lot of conflicting reports about a suspect, a person of interest and an arrest perhaps being imminent. >> reporter: what we know for a fact is we're told by several federal officials that no arrest has been made. there's a great deal of interest in a couple people they have identified. one in particular based on their review of all these pictures they have asked for. what they are concentrating on is people who appear to be carrying heavy black nylon backpacks and setting them down in the area the bombs went off. they have some matches like that and they are trying to figure out whether that is the real deal or the koicoincidence or a witness or what. it's rather confusing at this point. partly because of the one person's item of interest is another person's suspect. but what we have been told is no arrest has been made. we have heard frankly conflicting reports from seen r your federal officials about whether they have in fact even identified anybody yet based on looking at these pictures. some say yes, some say no. i would take a step back and say whatever is going on, it is a promising development. they would hope pictures would give them the leg up they needed to move the investigation along. it's going to take awhile to figure out who could have bought all these pieces in the bomb that are relatively intact in from the explosion. it's rapidly moving. i think it's fair to say we don't precisely know what's happening right now. but i believe this is very promising that less than two days since the bomb attack, they have some hot leads. >> let's talk about the science briefly. the fact the average iphone, the number of pixels that can be blown up to do basic facial recognition. the fact that there was a report today that a stationary camera outside a department store has been critical to law enforcement. the fact that most city streets, especially boston, especially new york, have multiple views of public walkways. so that combined with the fact that science allows us to now record and memorize faces electronically, new york city has cameras that even know if an individual and a package they are carrying becomes separated over time. that this, as you indicate, we kind of knew that this would be crucial in this investigation. >> reporter: especially since they are not merely looking for a face in the crowd, if you will. they are looking for somebody doing a specific thing. they believe, brian, that these bombs weighed about 20 pounds a piece based on their initial analysis of what was in them. and the fact is that they are looking to find someone who was doing a specific thing. carrying a heavy bag and then setting it down and walking away. so those are the heavy criteria they are looking for and they have found some things that match that. now they are trying to figure out who is this person and trying to find them, trying to identify them, and that we know for sure is going on. beyond that whether they have actually, a, identified a person so they know who it is and where they are, and b, whether they have made arrest, we think no arrest here. we are not even sure they i.d.ed it. we heard conflicting information on whether they have identified the person, whether they know who it is rather than just a face. one other thing, we have been showing this picture from our affiliate in boston that shows during the race you can see what looks like a trash can. there it is. they say that thing that looks like a mailbox or a letter drop box is a trash can. you see this bag sitting down next to it. we have now been told that that is the point. it's been obscured in this picture. that's the picture being blurred afterwards to conceal the injuries. but we have been told by officials that that's the point where the bomb went off. while they can't say for sure it was in that bag because they haven't found pieces to identify, we have been told by several officials that's where one of the bombs went off in front of that restaurant. that's one of the bomb locations. >> it appeared, and to my laymen's eye, to be one of the trash containers that maybe paper lined with a see-through plastic outer layer that had been put there. the kind that you would see, i don't know, at outdoor events and are portable and can be picked up after they were filled with trash. >> right. i've just
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correspondent pete williams is standing by. i am just reading information that you put in regarding the components of this bomb and what authorities believe was used to make the explosives. what can you tell me? >> they say they were crudely made. that doesn't mean that they weren't powerful and they were. they were made with gunpowder, bbs and ball bearings packed inside a pressure cooker. let me point to a picture from a homeland security bulletin. we're going to get in real tight on these little pots down here. this is what pressure cookers look like. give it a second to focus and see how much tighter we can get. these are what pressure cookers look like in case you haven't seen them. these are rather inexpensive pressure cookers. in case you've not ever dealt with one. a pot with a cover on it that you can make basically air tight and food cooks faster. and then for at least a decade, they've been used to make bombs around the world. so inside is the explosive and the authorities believe it is gunpowder or smokeless powder. all these parts are commonly available. so someone coul
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events. pete williams nbc's justice correspondent is on the line as well. i'm sorry, i said there were two confirmed dead, it's three confirmed dead in the incident now. bill keithing is joining us with and reporters there on scene today. the bottom line is 113 wounded by blasts, at least three people killed. and in boston today, as you know today is the boston marathon, and the boston marathon is held on a state holiday in massachusetts only that's called patriot's day. and that always makes today a different kind of day than the rest of the year. but driving through boston tonight to get here to get to mass general, it's eerie. it's eerie in boston tonight that even with all of the security response that we've got right now, there's just nobody out. and obviously people are doing that and staying at home in order to respect the wishes of law enforcement authorities who are telling people essentially to stay out of the way while the investigation continues. as we get further details on the investigation, boston is left to confront the fact that with everything planned, with everything
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route of the marathon or focused on certain areas? areas that you are focused on beyond that? >> our focus of the investigation in the area that the governor mentioned ? >> if so, how would dough. >> we're working very closely with the families right now. setting up a location near here that families can come to if they have questions. the mayor's office has fielded many calls of concern. we're going through those right now. >> 9:30 tomorrow morning for the next briefing. >> coming to you tonight from massachusetts general hospital in boston. thanks for being with msnbc tonight. i'm rachel maddow, and this is the rachel maddow show. just wrapping up the latest press conference from massachusetts authorities as they try to communicate the most information they can and let people know the latest in this incident. right now the most important bottom line is we know two people confirmed dead and more than 100 confirmed injured. over the course of the next hour, we are going to be speaking with eyewitnesss to today's events. pete williams nbc's justice correspondent is on the line as well. i'm sorry, i said there were two confirmed dead, it's three confirmed dead in the incident now. bill keithing is joining us with and reporters there on scene today. the bottom line is 113 wounded by blasts, at least three people killed. and in boston today, as you know today is the boston marathon, and the boston marathon is held on a state holiday in massachusetts only that's called patriot's day. and that always makes today a different kind of day than the rest of the year. but driving through boston tonight to get here to get to mass general, it's eerie. it's eerie in boston tonight that even with all of the security response that we've got right now, there's just nobody out. and obviously people are doing that and staying at home in order to respect the wishes of law enforcement authorities who are telling people essentially to stay out of the way while the investigation continues. as we get further details on the investigation, boston is left to confront the fact that with everything planned, with everything planned in terms of security, with everything planned in terms of making this the megaevent that it is in boston with hundreds of thousands of people coming into the city who aren't familiar with the city, mere for the event, to have a security event like what happened today, is -- it's hard to fathom. it's been hours, but it's hard to fathom. boston globe reporter david sable one of the people who's able to join us tonight. he was at scene today when this happened. mr. able, thanks very much for being with us tonight, it's a pleasure to have you here. >> thanks for having me. >> can you tell us where you were today and what you saw. >> sure. i was standing on the finishline taking video of runners as they were coming in. i was about ten feet from the first blast. and -- and i was sitting there in a crouch taking the video when i heard a massive explosion. i saw a plume of white smoke and -- and when that cleared, i just saw the most horrific images i've ever seen, images that will be seared into my mind for a long time. >> is it clear to you -- you were so close to the first blast, from what you're describing, is it clear to you how you avoided injury? did it seem like it was a very directional blast? a directional blast where the force all went in one direction and you were lucky enough to be out of its way? >> yeah. i think it was -- it was shaped -- shaped to have a charge that detonated from the curb on the sidewalk into the -- into the sidewalk. thus trying to maximize the number of casualties. on the sidewalk right by the finish line you had hundreds of people on both sides. i have run the boston marathon three times, and i like to describe it as when you cross on to boylston street, that last leg of the marathon, it's like you feel like you're hitting a home run at fenway park because the roar is deafening. and the crowd is like ten people deep, often. so whoever did this knew that where they were placing these weapons, these bombs, they knew that they were going to try to maximize their casualties because this is where the crowds republican. >> david in terms of the first blast and then the second blast. it must have been so disor yenting to be so close to the first one. even if it were the noise alone, that's a disor yenting thing, was it clear that there were two separate explosions, or did you think it was a shock wave? >> no it was clear. it sort of felt to me, someone who covered the attacks on september 11th, like, you know, at first, when you heard the first blast before -- before the smoke cleared, and you could sort of see the damage, there was this disor yenation that sort of felt like you're not quite sure, and then suddenly when the second blast occurred, it was seven seconds later, it was like when the second plane hit the world trade center, you knew immediately that this was an attack, this was not machinery malfunctioning or something like that. >> david, in terms of having run the marathon, covered it and being there today, is there a visible and sort of palpable security presence at that part of the race and along the race in general? is this the sort of thing where there's a police cordon and it's hard to imagine something like this having gotten through? >> yes and no. there is -- there was an immense police and security presence there. police and marathon volunteers line the route. that all said, you know, i think more than a decade after september 11th, 2001, people probably are not thinking about home grown or local terrorism in the same way. and perhaps, you know, this is just purely speculation, that the kind of security that we might have expected after september 11th, we aren't necessarily getting. that all said, you know, there couldn't have been more police officers and security on the scene. >> right. we've seen the rush of first responders -- sir, go ahead. >> sorry, i just want to add. and their presence was felt intensely in the moments after the blast in which they swarmed the scene and, while many people fled, they, you know -- while not knowing if there were other bombs, clearly, arguably risked their lives, and were very brave and very amazing the way they carried people to safety as quickly as they could. >> david able, boston globe reporter who was an eye answer, a close eyewitness to the blast today. thank you very much for being with us. i want to give you the latest information on user and where people are being treated and the kind of injuries sustained. the total number of injured that we know at this point is 113. in terms of the way that breaks down, 28 at brigham women's hospital, nine in the operating room, two with limb threatening injuries, they're talking about mostly bone and tissue injuries. the age range ranges from teens to mid-60s, eights to ten with are in serious condition, two critical. the most common types of injuries being described there are bone and tissue injuries. now boston children's hospital, this is harder to hear, ten patients as of 8:00 p.m., ranging from good to serious. six patients are children, one is the adult parent of one of the children. there have been no patient deaths among the patients brought to them from the scene. a 14-year-old with a head injury, a 10-year-old with leg trauma, a 9-year-old with leg trauma, 42-year-old parent of a patient is being treated there, 7-year-old boy treated for minor leg injury, a 12-year-old femur fracture, a 2-year-old had a head injury, medical surgical icu, three more in god condition. eight of them critical, no fatalities, the rest are being evaluated. at boston medical center, 16 in serious condition. there are nine patients being treated at tufts, 21 at beth israel. boston obviously one of the things that boston is known for, particularly the part of boston i'm in right now is the density of world-class level medical care available in the city and this part of the city and never more fortunate than today. i want to bring in the congressman now for our discussion. thank you for being here. you are new. you are not new to politics. you serve on the homeland security committee? >> that's correct. >> can you shed light on in terms of how this incident should be characterized, how we should think of this investigation going forward? >> it's hard to separate yourself from representing boston and being here. the city is just -- has a somberness tonight that i can't remember in a long time. so try to do that as all of us are looking at the family members of now three people that have lost their lives, and i think the number is even 120 now in the number of people that were injured. and you just try and make sense out of something that makes no sense. in terms of what appears to be a terrorist action. and we don't know. i mean, from a homeland security perspective, you look at the symbols. because that's what terrorists try to attack, that's the targets. here we have the marathon, the oldest in the country, one of the largest in the world, an international event attracting almost 100 countries that have runners here. so it's that kind of symbol that a terrorist would look at and also it's tax day. it's april 15th, and if it's a domestic terrorist that hates the government and wants to rebel, that's a symbol as well. we'll follow the evidence the way law enforcement do. being a former d.a., you only know what you know. and their sorting those things out. the fusion center here, where the federal law enforcement people work with the tolerate state law enforcement people is one of the finest in the country. it's rated that way. there's no question in my mind that that group added the assets of the entire country that the president is calling on will bring them to justice. there's that level of confidence right now. but it's hard to go there when you're sitting there, and, you know, that people that you know, and people that know other people have been injured in this, and this terrible incident, three have lost their lives. it's hard to get past that, now. but the professionals that are doing this are. and they're going to bring them to justice. >> and one of the reasons i wanted to get specific about the details from the hospitals is about while this targeted apparently near the finish line of the marathon, it really did target the bystanders which may explain so many children injured, 2-year-old kids aren't running the marathon. >> usually with family members in the race. so many of those family members are people running for charities, they might have a family member who has cancer, running to raise money for that. and their children and their loved ones are sitting there at the finish line to embrace them after an enormous commitment of time. so -- >> in terms of the type of attack this is, one of the things that's broken late this evening. there's reportedly a number of unexploded device was a the event. we don't have the details and locations yet, and they're telling us to proceed with caution in terms of the way we understand the character and how many different events might have been planned in addition to the two explosions happened. >> there are sources that we have had that have told us that there are at least two other bombs that weren't detonated as well. so you can look at the brighter side and say it could have been worse without the medical hospitals that we have so clear, without the triaging that's there for the marathoning. it's small solace to those who lost loved ones and those injured, but it could have been worse. >> as a former d.a., one thing about the unexploded devices in custody, that's very valuable evidence in terms of tracking the types of devices these were. and in terms of giving leads for investigative process. >> it is. and the devices that have exploded, they're valuable too in terms of evidence. that kind of forensic evidence. we bring in the best people in the country here in boston. we've got some of the best to begin, people from the fbi, new york, other areas that are specially trained on that. this is an amazing country, and as much as we feel that we're pulled apart tonight, i just think of all those people running shoulder and shoulder. and this city is lifeless tonight. >> yeah. >> but there will be tomorrow, and we're going to be pulling together as a country. and this is a very resilient city as well and we will pull together and help as much as we can the victims, and we're going to make sure that the people who did this are brought to justice. >> congressman, thank you for being with us. appreciate your time. thanks for being with us on msnbc. we are able to confirm three dead and more than 110 people injured. the injury numbers at this point, we've heard 113, 120, we are getting continued updates from the hospitals, from the many hospitals close to where i am, mass general, in terms of those treated. as we get more details, this does seem to have mostly hit people who had been gathered on the sidelines, not just passers by, and not just runners, but them people there to cheer on runners approaching the end of the four hour long race. the president today characterizing this as something that the perpetrators of this event will know justice, will know the full weight of justice. a senior white house official after the president's remarks characterizing this as an act of terror. much, frankly, inane political discussion about whether everybody is using the right nouns and verbs in talking about this when it is multiple explosions in an american city, whether or not you use the politically correct terminology is beside the point to me. but the president's remarks today will be marked as a benchmark in terms of the american response. i think we've got some of the president's remarks now. >> we still do not know who did this or why. and people shouldn't jump to conclusions before we have all the facts. but make no mistake, we will get to the bottom of this. and we will find out who did this, we'll find out why they did this. any responsible individuals, any responsible groups will feel the full weight of justice. >> president obama speaking this afternoon at the white house. we're joined now from washington by nbc's pete williams, our justice correspondent. what can you tell us in terms of further leads or directions of the investigation at this point? >> one of them is what you were talking to the congressman about. that's really how many were planted and frankly this is all over the map today. the most up to date information that i have tonight is they now believe there were just two devices. now this is very confusing because at least five other packages found on the street were deemed to be suspicious and were zroied. at first the thinking was some of them were actually explosive devices that didn't go off. but, the best information we have tonight is officials believe none of the other packages contained explosives. so that's one thing that they're looking at. secondly, they stress there is no suspect in custody. but we know that they're talking to a 20-year-old saudi man here on a student visa, he had burns and was running from the area. he is being questioned, he has denied having anything to do with this. the officials say the two bombs that did go off included other things to multiply the injuries, bbs and ball bearings. it is not a new development, the man convicted of the olympic park bombing in atlanta in 1996 put screws and nails in his bomb. so this is a relatively common thing, unfortunately. investigators are studying surveillance video, they are asking for people in the area if they happened -- cameras or cell phones were make video, if they can see someone placing packages at the points where the bombs went off. they're analyzing the pieces now. they will try to get what you might call a signature of the twice to see if it's similar to other devices here or oversees, but their initial take on looki the buildings, injuries, pictures of the explosion, they zwrieb the devices as thankfully crude with less power than might have been contained in something of that size. >> on that point, on the nature of these explosives, obviously those of us who are watching this footage over and over again of a bomb going off in a civilian environment, it looks huge, but can we get a perspective on the size and power of the bomb? how we might compare to to those in a war zone, ieds or military ordnance? >> that's the analysis going on now. the people i've talked to who are doing that seat of the pants comparison say it's not huge. of course, it does look huge. over 100 people injured, that seems frightening. it is, but they were right around it, they were very close to it, crowded around, which you assume is the reason the devices were placed there. it does seem they were intended to cause a maximum amount of casualties, injuries and deaths. where they were placed, when they were placed, and how they were constructed with the additional shrapnel to amp up the injuries. >> pete, over the course of the day, obviously you get a lot of conflicting reports, some of which are not true, but we heard at least some tentative reports about the strategic placement of the devices, whether they might have been put in trash cans or mailboxes or parcels leaned up against the building. do we have anything firm on that? >> no. we're still waiting to hear more about that. the best information i have was they were placed in backpacks. but beyond that, leaning up against buildings, inside doors, in trash cans, i just don't know. >> okay. but, pete, one last question for you in terms of what we're able to reverse engineer on what happened based on the evidence from the explosives, is there anything in terms of either pattern or association with different types of extremist groups or loan wolf previous events that is suggested by this pattern of multiple explosive devices seeming to be of sort of similar caliber, timed to go off simultaneously, but not all of them do. is that the signature or kind of evidence that we might compare this to? >> yeah. we have to be careful saying others didn't go off. our best information as of 9:22 is there were only two. no others that were intended to go off and didn't. one thing you touch on is a critical point. were they on a time center were they on some kind of remote debt nay or? was there a cell phone call or someone pressing a button? they don't know the answers to those questions. two points about that, one is that may give them a clue in terms of how, where all that sort of thing, but the other problem with this, is that unfortunately there is a lot of this bomb-making introduction on the internet. it all says the same thing, if you want maximum saushlties, put them at soft targets, where people are known to be. the united states has been relatively luckily free of this sort of thing. but that's a key question. one other point that i should probably mention here, rachel, there is no advisory tonight from the department of homeland security urging other cities to take precautions. and the reason for that is, that in this day and age, they don't just turn up the -- the next signal on the chart unless they have specific intelligence that indicates they should cothat. we're told there isn't any. there's nothing to suggest this is part of a larger plot or other cities targeted. indeed we're told there was no credible intelligence running up to this event today indicating that boston would be a target. >> double edged sword. it's good to here no subsequent targets, on the other hand, there was none that have intelligence lead up to it either. pete williams, we will be checking in with you again. thank you. good to have your reporting. i'm live at massachusetts general hospital, if you're hearing ambient notice and seeing things going on behind me, this is a response to today's events. i want to bring in jeff, who works for nbc companies. he was a runner quite nearby when the explosions happened. thanks for being with us, appreciate your time. >> no problem. my thoughts and prayers with the victims and their families right now. >> as are all of ours. absolutely. can you describe for us where you were and what you experienced when the explosions happened? >> i just turned down boylston street, and i about a third of a mile to go. i was trying to break four hour in the marathon and i had about two or three minutes when i got a leg cramp. you know, if not for my desire for four miles -- for four hours, i -- i probably would have stopped and kind of walked to the finish line. but i said i'm going to power through and try and go as fast as i can. i crossed the finish line, and within five seconds, i heard a huge boom. didn't really know what that was. all the day at the marathon you see band and drums and music, a lot of noise all day. to so to hear a loud noise, i didn't think all that much of it, but i turned around and saw a huge mushroom of smoke. immediately i knew it was something serious. about ten seconds later, i heard a second boom. and clearly, i knew at that point, you know, it was a serious situation. you know, the volunteers did a fantastic job of getting the runners away. you know, i immediately started walking back. my family -- i didn't know where they were. i had seen them earlier, about mile 16, fortunately for me they got stuck in traffic on the way back. their plan was to be sitting near the finish line. i saw one of my colleagues sitting near the finish line. obviously i was very concerned for her. and then it was mayhem. i didn't have my cell phone. the volunteers were incredible, offered up -- saying anyone needs a cell phone. but the problem was you, you know, the lines were all, you know, everyone was trying make a call at the same time. finally i did get through to my wife and kids, and, you know, fortunately for me and my family, they were okay. >> jeff, in terms of your perspective as a runner and came through that area, was there anything that you could tell in terms of just the number of people that were in the area that seemed to be where the initial -- where the two blasts were concentrated, how deep were the crowds there? >> very, very deep. 10, 15, 20 people deep. you turn down boylston street, and i equate it to someone's announcing nor name for the starting lineup of the super bowl. it's the last third of a mile, thousands and thousands of people. many runners have their name on their shirts, a personal feeling, screaming your name. at least 15, 20 deep. and as i was looking for my wife and kids, there were so many people, there was no way i could have spotted them. so -- you know, thousands. >> jeff, who's vp of sales and marketing for nbc universal sports never expected to be on tv discussing this. glad you're okay. thanks for being with us. all right, if you watched this video from boston globe reporter steve silva, you can see that he hears the explosions and he starts running not away, but toward the chaos. and if you stay with it, within two minutes, race volunteers from the boston marathon are pulling back the barricades and reaching the people affected. and police officers are flooding into the scene with regular folks and guys in camouflage. i'm not suggesting you should run toward danger, but that's what hundreds of police and fire fighters did. among the many, many first responders were state police and fbi agents and national guard and atf agents, so many people reaching for the cell phones, sprint and ve rye swron asked customers to please send text messages instead of calling so they could free up space on their networks. the national hockey league cancelled the game between the ottawa senators and bruins. it's all so police can concentrate on the aftermath in boston. who in boston feels like playing anything at this moment? the boston police department put out a call today for video of the finish line. any civilians who may have been taking video in fact area. peel did respond to the call from the police. police asked people to go home, not to stand around in large crowds. then they cordoned off streets in the immediate area. subway line is closed, with hotels evacuated, it was not clear that marathon runners from out of town would have a place to sleep. one of the remarkable things today is seeing the people of greater boston starting to post offers of shelter on message boards. extra bed and couches to sleep four to five plus floor space. i will come pick up anyone who needs a place to stay, i will do whatever i can. so much of the response makes sense in a that's what humans do kind of way. this attracts elite runners from around the world. you need to have finished in just over three hours to qualify, they usually have an after race party, that's cancelled. we have reports of runners continuing to run the final mile and half to the hospital so they could give blood if that's what needed. because that's what borderline-hero humans try to do. the red cross website crashed, and tweeted they had plenty of blood and thank you and please make an appointment in the future to come back. today is a holiday in all of massachusetts, and especially in boston. bostons missouri barnacles will be joining us. the patriot's day with schools and government officers closed, it's a red sox day, the red sox play a morning game at fenway park in boston. joining us now, i'd love to bring into the discussion is mike barnacle, long time sports writer, msnbc contributor who was at the game today. >> i was. >> this is one of the strangest days in history, patriot's day alienates the rest of the country anyone, it's a boston only holiday. >> tough day, hard day. a community day, a community of interest, people from all around the world come here, as you indicated the red sox play at 11:00 a.m. it concludes, depending on the length of the game as the stralg of marathoners come down to the finish line. 35,000 people in fenway park, hundreds of thousands along the marathon route and on boylston street. it's a school holiday, school vacation week, people standing there ready to cheer on their relatives, their friends, their wives, their husbands, significant others who are running for causes as dispa at as cancer, muscular dismetro fee. and it's a small city, small downtown, walkable city. i talked to one particular young man, a hour, andrew, eyewitness, he was standing in front of a department store, and the finish line was perhaps 75 yards to his right. and he was waiting there for his girlfriend to finish the marathon. he heard one explosion down at the finish line, 75 yards to his right. he estimates 15 to 20 seconds later, a second explosion about 25 yards to his left. low level explosions, number of -- number of the injured suffered leg wounds, amputations, horrific physical damage to them. this is a two block area, perhaps 100 yards long. and on this particular day, as happens every patriot's day, again as we indicated, people from all over the world, a kenyan and ethiopian were the first two finishers in the marathon, people from all over the united states run, they arrive with extended families who wait innocently and joyo joyously, and what was once a joyous scene is tonight a murder scene. >> you came through the city tonight to come down, and been out in the city since this happened, it does not feel like boston in a way. >> no. it's -- there's a solemnness, obviously, to the city this evening. the city is pretty much -- large areas of the downtown shut down. >> yeah. >> difficult to travel by car. but there's a resiliency in the air that you would sense not only in boston, any place, in the berkshires, in northern california, in dallas, texas, and it is this, i think, in that the objective of these bombings today were to instill fear in people, to instill such fear in them that they would not commune together, not gather together, they would be afraid to go out of their apartments and their homes. not here, not this time, not in this country. the sun will rise tomorrow, people will get up, go to work, slap each other on the back and go forward. that's who we are as americans. >> one of the things about boston public safety and boston security is the whole country knows in a way about the closeness of the boston pd and fbi in terms of totally unrelated measures, the most famous cases in the country, we have heard about the joint terrorism task force and atf and federal authorities coming in to work together. in your sense about how boston public safety works, is this the sort of thing where the city will take the lead, do you think there will be a seamless integration? >> i'm led to believe, and talking to several people in the past few hours, the integration has taken place. the fbi is running it. the atf has a pretty solid forensic hand print on the contour and the makeup of the explosive devices. they have at least one, perhaps a couple of them. so that would provide enormous leads, i would think. interagency jealousies, they will always exist, but not on this. >> mike, thank you for being here. we will check back in with you. mike an long time boston journalist. we are at the hospital in downtown boston, and we've got more ahead on the aftermath of the bombings at the boston marathons, we'll be right back. oh, he's a fighter alright. since aflac is helping with his expenses while he can't work, he can focus on his recovery. he doesn't have to worry so much about his mortgage, groceries, or even gas bills. kick! kick... feel it! feel it! feel it! nice work! ♪ you got it! you got it! yes! aflac's gonna help take care of his expenses. and us...we're gonna get him back in fighting shape. ♪ [ male announcer ] see what's happening behind the scenes at ducktherapy.com. 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joining me tonight from massachusetts general hospital in boston, thanks for being with us on msnbc, an earlier press conference, the governor of massachusetts stressed that the site of today's bombings at the boston marathon are still an active crime scene. he said that federal, state and local officials are on the scene, but that the fbi is leading the investigation at this hour. the governor speaking, of course, about the two large explosions seconds apart that tore through the city today, 2:50 p.m. this afternoon on a day when half a million people had poured into boston to take part in and to watch the city's annual marathon. the first sploigs hit as runners approached the finish line, the second between ten and 20 seconds later about 1700 yards away from the first. as of this evening, authorities say that three people have died, including an 8-year-old boy. more than 113 people have been injured in these blasts, several people sustained critical injuries. at least a dozen of the injure ready children. witnesses describing a horrific scene, some of the injured lost limbs, what million professionals call traumatic amputation. there is new information, beth italy, 21 patients, 7 with life threatening injuries, three others reporting having more than 20 patients on scene, boston children's hospital reports 10 patients from the attack today including a 14-year-old with a head injury and a 2-year-old boy also with a head injury sent to surgical icu. it has been reported tonight that two more twices were found near the scene of the initial explosions. two more devices, that is the number reported this evening. as we spoke with pete williams earlier, he stressed caution about whether they should be seen as similar to the ones that explode. we shouldn't characterize them as unexploded bombs of the type that did explode near the finish line of the boston marathon. law enforcement officials did carry out one controlled ploegs an hour after the bombings. that usually means there were more devices but for one reason or another did not, so police detonated those. so some of the things that police may have detonated may not have been bombs. the one that achieved the most notice happened roughly 4:00 p.m. this afternoon. three hotels were evacuated today because of reports of suspicious packages. the marriott hotel and lenox hotel, and flights in and out of boston were grounded for a time following the attack welcomes and the air space over washington, d.c. was closed for a time. that has reopened as have now the boston airports. also today what could just be a bizarre coincidence, there was a fire and sploeks explosion at the john f. kennedy presidential library in boston than. that happened after 3:00 p.m. this afternoon. there was a large hole through the building. conflicting reports about whether this incident, about a 15 minute drive from the scene of the explosions at the finish line, conflict reports on whether they believed them to be related. latest word is the jfk incident and the marathon may not have been related at all. it may have been a fire at the library that was unrelated to what was happening 15 minutes away by distance at almost the same time. at this hour, law enforcement officials tell us there have been no arrests, no identified suspects in the attack. this evening president obama addressed that lack of information in his comments about the bombings. >>> make no mistake, will get to the bottom of this, and we will find out who did this, we'll find out why they did this. any responsible individuals, any responsible groups will feel the full weight of justice. >> the president during his comments did not refer to the explosions today as terrorism or as an act of terror, but shortly after he finished speaking, a white house said any event with multiple explosive devices is clearly an act of terror and will be approached like that. i want to bring in cary sanders joining us from boylston street. as close as we can be to the scene. what can you tell us about what police are doing on scene and how that site is being treated. >> right now, beyond just this location, the authorities have deployed teams of officers that are looking in every abandoned spot to see if there is something else out there. they're getting multiple calls, everything looks suspicious. that is just fine, they want to check every single thing out on the off possibility there may yet be an unexploded device planted in and around thety. police have put all the officers on of a from bravo shifts, 12 hours, and then another 12 hour shift. everybody in or out of uniform is working over the next 24 hours. that will continue for the coming days. now for those who live and work in and around this city, the governor said this it will not be business as usual. part of that will be just getting around. traveling on the t, the subway and the streetcar system here will be much slower for passengers because many of those officers are going to be looking in backpacks, looking in parcels, anything that people are carrying just to make sure there is nothing that is going to be in an area that could be a problem. interestingly, as all of this has developed here, the police commissioner who is really now tapping into the intelligence network that he has in this city calls this act a cowardly act. if it is a single individual, intelligence analysts say it will be perhaps a little more difficult track down that person unless they raise their hand in some way. if it is a network of people, analysts say it will be slightly easier because likely somebody will say something and word will get out. the officers in the intelligence network here are now tapping every source that they have, every considerable informant that they have to try to find out if there is a piece of information,ing? that may not have appeared to, important, but connects back to the people or person responsible for what happened here in boston. as an aside, it's been very interesting that when the explosion happened, and then the second one followed, i'm originally from boston, my niece was here, she's a short distance away, she felt the explosion, called my brother, got me on the phone, she said she could feel it vibrating, we weren't able to talk in a few minutes because the phone system was overwhelmed when people realized what happened. one person said when it happened they were a good distance way, they could seat vibration in the water on their glass wondering what was going on. most of the communication now is back, but a lot of people in the initial hours were getting word out to loved ones, texting, on facebook, google people finder, putting up twitter accounts, those folks who have been unable to reach loved ones, it's a matter of their problems. the system sitz up and working. think about this, 26,000 plus runners, 96 countries, word went out on the internet almost immediately, and people from all over the world started calling to find out, are you okay? a very, very complicated and tragic night in a stay city that you and i both love. >> absolutely. thank you so much. we're going to be checking back in with you. nbc news's correspondent is on the scene at boylston street. we have just received new video that we have not shown before. new video from aptn that clearly shows the second blast. we have been able to see the first blast on the video today, but looking at the second blast. i want to bring in now michael lighter, ms nbc news security analyst, former director of the national counterterrorism center. thanks very much for being with us, i appreciate having your expertise to tap this evening. >> good to be here, rachel. >> can you give us, i guess any sense of context for understanding how sophisticated, how big these types of bombs were compared to the other types of explosive devices that are used in attacks around the world. can you give us understanding of the size? >> it's difficult to estimate but something like a suitcase or medium backpack could carry 50 pounds of explosives and provide a lot of damage for a radius of 150 feet out. they look like they are smaller than that, which would fit with the description they might have been backpacks. as pete williams noted, what we don't see is significant damage to the structures around where the bomb appeared to be. this is clearly not what we have seen in places like pakistan or what we saw in the merrill building with timothy mcveigh where a truck bomb, van bomb does tremendous damage to buildings. my guess is we are looking at smaller backpack size in terms of sophistication, it's difficult to say, but clearly they are reporting about items in there like ball bearings, b.b.s, a very good indication they were clearly intended to maim and kill. >> is bombs of that size and of what we know of the description about what was there, as you mentioned in terms of what seems to be deliberate shrapnel, to build something like that, does it take expert knowledge or is that the kind of thing people can find easily available public sources? >> regrettably, it is much easier to find information on this than officials and the public would like. if you get online, not all the reports on the internet are perfect. with any sort of comfort with chemicals, access to things like nitrogen based fertilizer, an individual who a relatively handy can make these bombs. that can be dangerous for the bomb maker. they are thot always successful as we saw in 2010 with the times square bomber. there's an individual who is trained, he bought the wrong materials and the bomb fizzled. we saw with the underwear bomber, a relatively sophisticated bomb that didn't go off. it is not perfect or easy. with hydrogen peroxide explosives or fertilizer, anyone who is remotely handy can make bombs like this. >> what would you expect to be the first thing the fbi would be doing in starting the investigation into an attack like this? >> regrettably, this sort of situation is one that the u.s. government and state and local governments had to deal with before. it is one that they are actually very well trained in doing this sort of thing. in fact, in march of 2011, my organization, the national counterterrorism with homeland security did an exercise with the city of boston to prepare for an event like this. what the fbi will do is the fbi, all federal agencies in boston and state authorities in massachusetts, they are going to do a couple things. one, people talk about the forensic examination of the site. they are going to go back and talk with all their sources. they will talk with sensitive intelligent sources. everyone in the federal government will coordinate with the fbi, but looking overseas and domestically in telephone communications, all trying to piece together to see things they had that were previously innocent or new information about people who might be talking about this attack. it will take a little time. over the next 12 to 24 hours, we'll get forensic information about the bombs. from there, it will piece together. the video tape from the scene, license plates of cars in the area. all of this enormous data will be used to combine a holistic picture. i expect in the coming days, we'll have a better sense of who is behind this. >> michael lighter, we are lucky to be able to talk to you tonight. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, rachel. >>> massachusetts is about to have a senate election. john kerry gave up his senate seat in order to be secretary of state. the race to fill his seat included somebody running in the marathon today. gabriel gomez crossed the finish line within minutes of the explosion. joining us now is will ritter, the press secretary arranging a party for mr. gomez when he heard the blasts going off. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> where were you? >> i was at the corner. we were going to have a press conference, we were going to talk to the media. we were assembling the media. >> he already cleared the finish line? >> he had, fortunately ten minutes earlier. he heard the blasts and turned and saw the smoke from boston public library 100 feet away. >> in terms of the scene and how people reacted, most people's instinct is to run away. people who are trained or know they have something to offer will run toward the scene, how did that balance out? >> that was scary there. where i was, where the friends and family meet up with the 26,000 people crossing the finish line, you have a lot of fathers jumping the barricades. you have police and fire jumping to get to the explosion. you have a great mass of people running east toward boston garden, boston common public gardens. it was a lot of chaos. >> the chaos in terms of people trying to figure out where to go must have been magnified by the second explosion. >> it went off. we have a lot of cannon blasts in boston. the second one, you hear people yell things like bomb and running. at that time, you know, we just kind of dispursed. i live a block away on the other side. i ran back to my apartment to make sure my sister and girlfriend were okay. >> how is gabriel? >> he's all right. he was shaken up. he got with his wife and kids and he's home with his family safe. >> this is a day when all politics is suspended except for -- in massachusetts, the different people who are vying for the senate seat have to make a decision about how to contribute now. gabriel gomez is not a public official, but vying to be one. ed marky on the democratic side. everybody is suspending campaign. is there a way that you can do more help than otherwise? >> i think we have asked people to give blood. we haven't put anything on the schedule. that's the important thing. the victims, i mean where the finish line, where the bombs went off, whoever was trying to make a political point need to realize, they were children clapping for their moms and dads. they created havoc. it's the farther thing from our mind. our hearts go out to the victims. >> on the day that is more boston than any other day. i'm glad you are all right. >> thanks, rachel. >> appreciate it. will ritter is the press secretary for gabriel gomez, who did finish the race today and is fine. >>> all right, we showed video earlier on of the first explosion at the end of the boston marathon. we have now since received video and play video of the second explosion at the boston marathon. the latest reports show police and law enforcement are treating it as an active crime scene. this is an active and open investigation. federal law enforcement and local law enforcement are working together. being out in boston, i'm at massachusetts general, mass general hospital, it doesn't feel like the boston you know. if you have ever been to boston before, it's a very serious night. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >>> in the boston marathon, the moment when boylston street has the largest number of runners crossing the finish line at once happens two hours after that start. today when it was most crowded with runners, two hours after a woman from ethiopia won the marathon, this happened.
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been two reports this morning in the last half hour, pete williams saying that the authorities believe they know where dzhokhar tsarnaev is, the suspect in the white hat is. and concerns about a third relative, which explains the larger drag net, if you will, and why the entire greater boston area was asked to shelter in place. >> it could explain that, chuck, because there's a contradiction there. if they know where he is, why would they shut down the entire city of boston, which they did like less than an hour ago when governor patrick came out here. there's still a lot of unanswered questions here, but, first, i want to point out, chuck. we're right across at the watertown mall right across the street is the main staging area that you were referring to before. and earlier this morning and we've been here for hours now, we saw convoys of military humvees, buses filled with police, motorcycles, state police officers and all congregating in that staging area in the parking lot right behind us. there's a marshal's department store there. it looked to me at first like there was g
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users on it at the same time last night. pete williams justice correspondent in washington, has been also seeking for information on what it is that we may be watching here, pete? >> well, in an event like this, brian, sometimes it takes a time for the reports to get here to headquarters. what we have been told is, that the word is, shots fired. that was the first information that came back here and the second was, body found in a boat. now, i heard that you were told that this location is right here the water. so, it's not clear to me whether the boat is in the water or the boat is in somebody's garage or somebody's backyard being stored. and in any event, i think the telling word is body. body found in a boat. and they as you know have sent in the swat teams and the bomb teams, i assume as a precaution, just to make sure that the situation is over. but we don't have are an identity on the body. we don't know who it is. or whether the body is the result of the shooting. that would seem to be the logical conclusion. >> pete, right where they are in watertown, the charles river takes
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intercepted and initially tested positive for the poison, ricen. pete williams will join us with the latest on this story. but first, while we may not know anything about who attacked the boston marathon yesterday or why, just over 24 hours after the explosion, there is a lot of new information tonight about the devices used in the attack. about to exekt from the investigation. there were two explosive devices which exploded yesterday. no more along the route or city of boston. the devices appear to have consists of explosive and shrapnel put into pressure cookers. they have recovered black nylon bags at the sights of both devices. they are believed to have been used to transport the devices to the scene. what happens next is that every single fragment of bomb material recovered from those sites will be sent to an fbi land in quantico, virginia, where they can be analyzed by the fbi and atf experts and even checked for dna. investigators have launched a major push to seek information from the public, including tips on suspicious behavior and photo and video taken around the race. >> the person
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will be allowed back in. >>> to washington we go. our justice correspondent pete williams has been working this story all day. pete, what can you tell us tonight? >> tonight authorities confirm that there were two bombs. we know that much. but it's unclear how many others were planted. they say there were other suspicious packages. and the word, of course, of another bomb elsewhere placed at the jfk library is apparently turning out not to be true. at least five other packages have been found on the street, have been deemed suspicious and are being destroyed. but there is no firm confirmation of whether they were actually explosive devices although some officials tonight say there is reason to think that some of them were. we are told, by the way, that one of the two victims killed in the explosion was 8 years old. boston police say there was no specific intelligence warning of any kind of attack. federal officials tonight say there is no reason to think that this is part of any larger threat. at this point they believe it is confined to boston. but a meeting tonight will decide wh
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and of all places, of all days this was patriots day in boston. the running of the boston marathon, a holiday in that city. and this happened at the finish line of the boston marathon. here is the view from ground level as recorded by the boston globe's website at around the 4:09 finish mark. first one explosion off to the right. pedestrians, on-lookers between a building and the police line and then seconds later, less than 20 seconds, a second device detonates. there is bedlam. the race is stopped in midstream. the dead and injured were slowly triaged and transported. here is the latest based on what we know of the toll. at least two people reported dead from today's boston marathon. at least 100 people have been treated for injuries thus far at three leading boston-area hospitals. late today from the briefing room in the west wing we heard from president obama. we don't have the president's comments quite yet? >> every resource necessary to care for the victims and the families. i made clear that all americans stand with the people of boston. >> we did, in fact, have the president's comments from the briefing room. that was within the last half hour. it has been an extraordinary day. not all initial reports turned out to be true, but the initial fears did. and that was that this was not one but two devices apparently placed there to do harm. we have our look at this this day so far from nbc's anne thompson. [ explosion ] >> reporter: steps away from their ultimate goal, the unthinkable. marathon runners and spectators violently injured. [ screaming ] [ explosion ] >> reporter: two explosions going off within seconds of each other at boston's copley square. >> at first it sounded like a cannon blast. it felt so strong it almost blew my hat off. everybody started running the other way. there were people running over towards them to help the injured. there were really bad, bad injuries. some people were very, very badly hurt. >> reporter: the clock at the finish line read 4:09:43 when the first explosion went off on boylston street. the second a block away. a place of celebration instantly transformed into a scene of chaos. >> everything was normal. everyone was relaxed and happy. then the explosion right next to the finish line. and then within another maybe 30 seconds, another explosion. and then pandemonium struck. >> reporter: now there was a race of a different kind -- to rescue people and save them. >> i was carrying somebody who lost both of their legs in the explosion. it was a lot of them lost limbs. catastrophic. >> wow. it was really, really loud. chaos. >> reporter: the smoke could be seen from across the charles river. boston police called in all off duty officers to help. ambulances took 19 victims thomas ma-- to massachusetts general hospital oh. >> this is a bomb explosion we hear about in baghdad, israel or some other tragic place in the world. >> it was carnage. i saw a man who lost part of his leg. and all of the folks from the marathon were treating the runners and had to be called into action. >> reporter: 27,000 runneres signed up for the race. those still on the course were diverted away from the finish line. authorities would not speculate on whether it was terrorism. >> we are not being definitive on this now. you can reach your own conclusions based upon what happened. >> reporter: the race famous for heartbreak hill today the site of just heartbreak. tonight every police agency in the state of massachusetts is sending help to boston as is the federal government. bostonians are told to stay indoors. if they have to go out to avoid large crowds. while authorities try to figure out who brought to such a violent deadly end the day that people in boston, brian, have always called the very best day. >> absolutely. thank you very much for that. let's go to katy tur who made her way up there. as i understand it there are 15 blocks that are virtually frozen. people have been told to shelterer in place and once they go out, avoid crowds which is tricky on this day which is a holiday every year. >> reporter: it's pretty tricky in this area, brian. this is the back bay of boston. it is a popular area. it is a busy area on a normal day. it is chaotic here during the marathon in a good way. the bars are open. people are out. right now there are people here. they want to see what's going on. i guess they are trying not to congregate. for the most part it's quiet for this area. after the explosion there were streams of people walking the streets. the subways were shut down and because of that, people had to walk for miles in some cases to their destination. in fact, we are two blocks from the finish line. two blocks from where the explosions happened. we saw a woman right over here, witnesses saw her stumbling to this block with shrapnel wounds. nbc has confirmed shrapnel was part of the explosion. that's why there were lower limb injuries. people reported seeing tourniquets applied on the raceway. back bay is normally a busy area. there are a number of roadblocks. there was a ground stop at logan airport. we had to circle over providence for quite a while before they allowed us to land. as you would imagine, a very heavy police presence here. the national guard is here and people are on alert. they want to know what's going on. the police commissioner asked everybody to stay inside, everybody to go home if they can. from what you can tell although there are people out here, most of them have heeded the order oh, at least around here. brian? >> we can see looking at tape of the finish line the digital seems to say this was the 4:09, four hour, nine minute finishing mark. if you are crossing the finish line at that point in this race you have done very well. to finish at all you have done very well. but people thought, and you can't blame them, that this was some kind of cannon, a planned thing. i had one eyewitness describe it in terms of world trade. that once the second building was hit that day we knew it was something different. well once the secondary explosion went off, they knew it was not an accident of the construction of the city like a gas main. >> reporter: certainly when you're at a marathon, especially in boston where they haven't had issues like they have had in new york, nobody was expecting something like this to happen. initially nobody thought -- they weren't sure if it was even an accident, a gas main break. people didn't know what was going on. when the second explosion happened 15 seconds later people started to believe there was something fishy, something bad. that's when people started to get scared, run away. a bit of a chaotic scene out here. brian? >> kay tur on the streets of boston. we don't know when people will be allowed back in. >>> to washington we go. our justice correspondent pete williams has been working this story all day. pete, what can you tell us tonight? >> tonight authorities confirm that there were two bombs. we know that much. but it's unclear how many others were planted. they say there were other suspicious packages. and the word, of course, of another bomb elsewhere placed at the jfk library is apparently turning out not to be true. at least five other packages have been found on the street, have been deemed suspicious and are being destroyed. but there is no firm confirmation of whether they were actually explosive devices although some officials tonight say there is reason to think that some of them were. we are told, by the way, that one of the two victims killed in the explosion was 8 years old. boston police say there was no specific intelligence warning of any kind of attack. federal officials tonight say there is no reason to think that this is part of any larger threat. at this point they believe it is confined to boston. but a meeting tonight will decide whether any kind of national alert will be sent out. there is no suspect in custody, authorities say. but some people are being questioned including some with injuries who were taken to boston hospitals. one of those, a person in whom there is some interest is a young person who was here on a student visa. brian? >> pete williams in our washington newsroom. we'll look for further details from there. pete, thanks. >>> michael leiter is our national security analyst at nbc news, former director of the national counterterrorism center in washington. michael, two things. overseas veterans of the wars the past ten years and those of us who spent time there, number one, the primary explosion, then the secondary explosion as people are running to the first. and number two, the nature of these injuries. an explosive device apparently with added shrapnel. that haunts everybody involveded. >> yes, brian. the idea of using two explosive devices, the first charge which attracts to some extent the first responders -- police, fire, medical -- and then have a second charge go off that's targeting those responders potentially is the sign of a more sophisticated attack. as you noted, the shrapnel, the idea there could have been ball baergs or something else in the explosives, specifically trying to kill or maim not just trying to have a small explosion, the sign of a terrorist organization trying to kill people. >> here we are in the post 9/11 era. while it's familiar now to us in a kind of hideous way, it also isn't. we should emphasize that while people, especially in big cities and especially on the east coast, are going to see precautions at train stations and airports and perhaps big obvious movement of law enforcement, there is no reason to fear that this is any, at this hour, part of any wider plan. correct? >> that's right. people should view the precautions in washington, new york, san francisco, los angeles merely as precautions. this is exactly what the federal government and states and cities prepare for in the event of an attack. heightening basic preparedness, putting more police on the scene. that is not because they know something specific. it is because everyone wants to make sure that there is a show of force and should something else arise that they are in a good position to respond. but it is not the sign of a specific threat necessarily. >> michael leiter in our washington bureau. michael, thank you as always. cross town we go to the white house. chuck todd was standing in the briefing room when the president entered at about 6:10 tonight to give his remarks on what the white house was saying so far. chuck? >> i can tell you this. one of the things the president did not say is he did not call this terrorism. i can tell you from talking to sources this was discussed and the decision was made not to have the president use that specific word. a national security official e-mails and says this. any event with multiple explosive devices as this appears to be is clearly an act of terror and will be approached as an act of terror. however we do not know who carried out this attack. a thorough investigation will determine whether it was planned and carried out by a terrorist group, foreign or domestic. they are careful with their language. the president has been believed all day from the fbi director, homeland security director, chief terrorism adviser. he himself has been giving briefings to the leadership in congress. but i can tell you in talking to officials around here, brian, there is a little bit of frustration of how little they do know at this point in time which is why the president was clearly being very careful with the language he chose to use. >> chuck todd at the white house, thanks. we'll take a quick break. when we come back, we'll talk about the nation's need to secure large public events and how that job might have gotten tougher today. see life in the best light. outdoors, or in. transitions® lenses automatically filter just the right amount of light. so you see everything the way it's meant to be seen. maybe even a little better. visit your eyecare professional today to ask about our newest lenses, transitions vantage and transitions xtractive lenses. experience life well lit. ask which transitions adaptive lens is best for you. constipated? 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[ telephone ringing ] [ static warbles ] [ beeping ] red or blue? ♪ >>> marathon day, patriots day is supposed to be a great day every day in boston. instead this year it turned into a horrible day. nbc's katy tur is on the streets of boston tonight. what can you tell us there? >> reporter: brian, the sun is setting here and the runnerers are making their way back home, back to your hotels. families are reuniting with loved ones, trying to see if everyone is safe. being glad so many are safe tonight and trying to get their head around just what happened in all of the tragedy that unfolded. again, we are in the back bay of boston. h this is a very popular area. after the marathon right about now this area would be crowded. it is right now pretty dead. it is very far from normal, brian. it will be very far from normal for quite some time. >> katy, thanks. that's going to conclude our regular half hour of nbc "nightly news" for tonight. if your station is carrying it, we will be right back on the air with a special hour-long edition, a second half hour of the broadcast. if not, it will be available on our website. and an early heads-up, we are back on the air tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern, 7:00 on the west coast with a primetime special on what's happened in >> announcer: terror in boston. this is nbc "nightly news" with >> announcer: terror in boston. this is nbc "nightly news" with brian williams. captions paid for by nbc-universal television >>> that is what it looked like at ground level. the finish line at the boston marathon. it was after the first, the top tier of finishers. it was at the four hour, nine minute mark, exactly 2:50 this afternoon when first one explosion and then a secondary
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car's owner at gunpoint for some time. then later releasing the person unharmed. police followed the car to watertown. the suspects apparently threw explosive devices from the car. at some point during the standoff, they had at least one pressure cooker bomb similar to the ones used at the marathon finish line in boston. one suspect was killed in the shootout. again, the one in the black hat. he was reportedly run over when police approached his body. they discovered an ied strapped to his chest. these individuals were certainly planning on delivering more carnage in their paths, wherever they were going. witnesses reported hearing explosions and a massive gun battle that you can hear in this video between the two suspects and police. here's what adam, who had gunshots come through his window, told us not long ago. >> i went to the window, and right outside of our apartment there were two shooters in between a sedan and a black mercedes-benz suv. they were in between these two cars taking cover behind the black suv, shooting down our street, which is laurel street. they were shooting westward, which looked to be about six to ten watertown police army vehicles. they were shooting about what seemed to be 70 to 80 yards down the street utilizing handguns. while they were engaging in gunfire, they were also using explosives. it looked to resemble a pressure cooker, from what i've seen from other pictures online in the last few days. i saw them light this bomb. they threw it towards the officers, and it only got maybe 15 to 20 yards down, so it wasn't very close to the officers, but it really created a significant decoy. there was smoke that covered our entire street. at that point, one of the shooters ran towards the officers while still engaging in gunfire. while he was still shooting at them, a few seconds later, the second shooter got back into the suv and turned it around and went full speed into the police officers. >> all right. police say other unexploded explosives have been left behind. officials tell nbc news the two suspects in the marathon bomb having international ties, may have military experience, and appear to have been in the u.s. for as long as a year. again, one of the suspects, the one in the white hat, remains at large at this point. we're going to turn now to nbc's michael leiter. he's a terrorism analyst. he's joining us now from washington, d.c. michael, just from what we've heard as it unfolded all night long, complete chaos still in some areas, especially in watertown, massachusetts, where a suspect is still at large and clearly extremely dangerous. but the latest information about the suspects, what does that tell you? >> well, it tells me that honestly these guys probably don't lack the sophistication that people started imagining when we were just talking about the pressure cooker bomb. it was very, very simple and not much to it. they had obviously planned a lot out. i think that's how the fbi and boston authorities had been approaching this. although they now thought they recognized two, who knows how dangerous they could be, what else they could have set up, improvised explosive devices on their body they were carrying. this shows these two had thought a lot about this for a long time. we saw some of that planning with the precise placing of the bombs right there at the finish line. >> yeah, the brazenness and just pure sickness of their actions. even from video at the bombing showing them literally looking at the scene, the carnage as it unfolded instead of running away from it. also, possibly any signs here from what we've heard in our reporting that they have been planning this for quite some time and this isn't some sort of random act that was pulled together at the last minute. >> that's right. and i'm going to try not to make the mistake that others have made in this investigation, to prejudge and get out ahead of the facts. what we know is we've got one dead and one very, very dangerous individual still out there. whether they have links to others, even that, i think the investigators don't know. i think they probably think it's these two, but do they have support from other people here or elsewhere? where else might they have ieds? again, they're going to keep this very, very broad and try to narrow in on this one individual. >> all right. if you could stand by, we're going to go to watertown right now and just updating. these law enforcement officials say the activity overnight they have been dealing with, including the killing of one of the two suspects in the boston marathon bombing, they are directly related to the bombing. the two suspects have military experience and appear to have been in the u.s. for as long as a year, officials tell nbc news. and may have international ties. with that information, joining us now from watertown, massachusetts, is michael isikoff, who's there on the scene. michael, what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, these are two cold-blooded terrorists, in the words of police. we saw a pretty brazen example of that tonight. here's the sequence of events as we understand them right now. at about 10:20 last night, there's a robbery at a 7-eleven in cambridge. after that, an m.i.t. police officer was shot and killed in his head. at that point, the two suspects who are the suspects in the boston marathon bombing, engage in a carjacking and seize a black mercedes suv. the victim in that case, the owner of the vehicle, is kept with them for about a half an hour while they drive through and head towards watertown chased by police. at some point, they let the victim out, and the police chase ensues to watertown at which point there's this fire fight. explosive devices are thrown from the car. one of the suspects is -- an mbta transit officer is wounded seriously. one of the suspects is critically injured, taken into custody and is now dead. the other, the man with the white baseball cap, suspect number two in the boston marathon bombing, escapes. now, there's some indications that police may be aware of where he is. we see some police activity just down the road from us here, an indication that they are concentrating on one building, an office complex not just a couple blocks from where we are now. we don't know if the suspect is there. there seems to be some suspicion he's there. it may be they have him surrounded at this point. we're waiting to hear that and learn that shortly. >> michael isikoff, we'll check back in with you. at the end of the chase, authorities of course shot and killed one of the suspects. he was run over. as they approached his body, they discovered an ied strapped to his chest. police say the streets are littered with unexploded devices and that depending on their ability to render them safe and to arrest the second suspect, authorities may freeze transit and lock down the town of watertown and adjoining areas until they find him. this guy is extremely dangerous. joining us now on the phone, former philadelphia police chief john timinney. what does this tell you about the suspects? especially the latest information that they may have international ties and have been in the u.s. for as long as a year? >> well, it's quite unusual. usually these terrorists, suicide bombers, they go out with the bomb itself or they usually hit with a detonated device and flee the area. these two guys obviously detonated the bombs but then hung in the area for four extra days. what happened last night when the fbi released the pictures is reminiscent of what happened in d.c. during the sniper case back in 2002. in this case, the car. in this case, the pictures were released. within six hours, the bad guys are spotted. one officer gets killed at m.i.t. that begins a whole series of events culminating in the killing of terrorist number one. now it looks like they may have located the second guy. but these guys present a tremendous problem in that they're willing to go out in a ball of fire. the second person still may have some ieds on him or nearby or setting a booby trap. so this is a real, real difficult situation. already one cop has been killed, another seriously injured. so the police, by necessary for their own protection, but also for the protection of the people in that small town, have got to move methodically. the best thing people can do is stay in their homes, shelter in place until this whole thing is over. >> so what -- just given what we know -- and in a sense, i'd love to know what your call would be given what we know. but locking down an entire town and adjoining areas, how is that done? clearly, police paneand fbi age and everybody involved here have to find this guy. they're driven not only by the necessity of what happened at the boston marathon but the necessity of the moment, having lost one of their own, which will drive them even further to make sure they get him. but how, chief timoney, how do you lock down an entire swath of land? >> well, i mean, i've been involved in situations like this. so usually what you're going to do is use loud speakers. especially when daylight hours come. my sense is everybody is awake in that neighborhood. you had the young student on before where a bullet went through his bedroom window and almost hit him. the people in that neighborhood are aware. the police are just re-enforcing. i can guarantee they're watching msnbc, they're watching other television, listening to radios. they're getting the message to stay indoors. the only thing they can do by coming outdoors would be to complicate matters. we saw one gentleman earlier, obviously an innocent guy, who wound up having the police handcuff him because you don't know who you're dealing with or who's the real person, who's the person they're looking for. these are extremely fast-moving, dynamic situations. what police need at this time is for full cooperation where there aren't extra people out on the street, they stay in their homes, out of danger, and allow the police to methodically comb the neighborhood. and it sounds like from michael isikoff's report, they may have somebody, or suspect to have somebody in an office complex nearby. >> they know who he is at this point. the case is solved in terms of the who. but let me ask you this, given the fact that the suspect who perished had an ied strapped to his chest and the streets apparently are littered with bombs and unexplode devid devic. are there possibilities here that there are others involved and not just these two working together? >> it could be. you leave all options open. there may be more involved. these may be just the two. you've got to take it one step at a time and assume the next guy they're looking for now has access to guns, has access to ieds. don't think for a second -- police officers are trained all the time. when you arrest somebody, you get the first gun, and you continue to search for the second gun. the same rule will apply here. they'll continue to search until they're satisfied that there's no more than these two individuals. >> again, watertown, massachusetts, is ground zero now for the search for the second suspect in the boston marathon bombing. chief timoney, can you hear me? i think he just hung up. that's okay. we'll get him back. again, the two suspects in the boston marathon bombing are now down to one. one perished in a fire fight with police. they actually ran over his body, found his body with an ied strapped to his chest. there was a chase from cambridge where they carjacked somebody, let the person go, all the way to the watertown, massachusetts, as they were throwing bombs out of their car. a massive shootout throughout the night in watertown frightened the neighborhood. the neighborhood terrorized at this point because police are telling them the other suspect, who is still on the loose, is armed and extremely dangerous. they have proven so time and time again since the bombing in boston on monday. we have a statement from m.i.t. an m.i.t. police officer was shot and killed in the line of duty. this happened last night. they say, our thoughts are now with the family. around 2:00 a.m., m.i.t. police determined that the suspect was no longer on campus and that it is safe to resume normal activities. however, m.i.t. police ask that members of their community remain vigilant in the coming hours. m.i.t. is heartbroken by the news that an m.i.t. police officer was shot and killed in the line of duty on thursday night, late last night near building 32 on campus. that, of course, is due to the two suspects who started their rampage there as they were trying to elude police and authorities in light of what they did at the boston marathon, at the finish line of the boston marathon. the fbi and all law enforcement authorities have been culling through pictures. these are them. the man in the white cap is still on the loose as they still continue to elude police. one suspect dead. the suspect on the run in watertown. the latest out of watertown, massachusetts, is that the fbi and police and law enforcement authorities are at this point considering locking down the entire community and adjoining areas and also literally freezing mass transit so they can completely encompass the area and find this guy. here is a sound bite from a witness who watched what happened in watertown as his streets filled with bombs and gunfire through the night. this is andrew. >> i went to the window, and right outside of our apartment there were two shooters in between a sedan and a black mercedes-benz, suv. they were in between these two cars taking cover behind the black, suv, shooting down our street, which is laurel street, and they were shooting westward -- >> all right. this is a briefing right now taking place. let's listen in. massachusetts state police. >> -- all public transportation service on the mbta system, that is buses and subway. so all public transit services through the mbta have been meetly suspended. we are hoping that as we proceed through the next number of hours that we will be able to turn back on portions of the system, but the system has been shut down now as a safety measure. people that are at subway stations or bus stops, we are asking them to go home. we do not want people congregatcongregat congregating and waiting for the system to come back on. so we're asking people, do not go out to the bus stations, subway stations. if you're there, please go home. we also want to speak to the residents and the public within the town of watertown and the cities and towns that are abutting watertown and to be specific we are speaking to the residents of watertown, newton, waltham, belmont, cambridge, and the austin brighton neighborhoods of boston. to those people, we are asking you to stay indoors, stay in your homes for the time being. we are asking businesses in those areas to please cooperate and not open today until we can provide further guidance and information. so again, to repeat, to the residents of watertown, newton, belmont, cambridge, and the austin brighton neighborhoods of boston, we're asking you to stay home, stay indoors. we're asking businesses not to open. we're asking people not to congregate outside. we're asking people not to go to mass transit. and we are hopeful that as the day proceeds that we can provide further guidance, that we'll be able to open portions of the system and be able to ease these restrictions, but we are imposing that now. let me just ask chief, for the town of watertown, is there anything additional -- >> i just want to speak to the town of watertown. we need your help now. we need everybody to shelter in place. no traffic will be allowed in or out. no businesses will be allowed to be opened. the watertown community has always stood strong. we need them to do that today. >> before we take any questions, i need to be clear about this. this situation is grave. we are here to protect public safety in these neighborhoods here in watertown right now. i know that there's national media here from all over the country. i know you have a lot of questions about who these folks are, where they're from. there will be plenty of time to deal with that over the ensuing hours. right now we have to deal with this here. we appreciate your patience. we believe these are the same individuals that were responsible for the bombing on monday at the boston marathon. we believe that they're responsible for the death of an m.i.t. police officer and the shooting of an mbta police officer. this is a very serious situation that we're dealing with. we would appreciate your cooperation. we'll do the best we can to keep you apprised as to how that develops here this morning, but we can't answer every single question about this investigation at this particular point in time. thank you very much. >> we'll be back. we'll let you know as much as possible prior to the next briefing. >> all right. you just heard a plea from the police chief in watertown, massachusetts, as well as law enforcement authorities to stay indoors. businesses should stay closed. do not use mass transits. do not drive in the streets. unprecedented but perhaps the only thing they can do to try and find the second suspect. let's go to nbc's pete williams with more on this. pete? authorities have not released any names. they say they're still trying to positively identify them. they believe that they've been in the u.s. for about a year, that they have some foreign military experience, and the boston police commissioner, ed david, said a short time ago of the man with the white hat, that he believes this man to be a terrorist who has come here to kill people, is the way he put it, mika. >> okay. willie geist joins us. willie, jump in. >> pete, it's willie. as you say, these two suspects believed to have been here as long as a year. do we know in what capacity? were they students? do we know anything about why they've been here? >> presumably students. we don't have the answer to that. they're still trying to tentatively -- they're still waiting to get the positive identification. we don't know the precise nature of what the visa was or how they entered the u.s. >> as you say, a remarkable lockdown here. we're talking about the commuter rail, the t, the subway there, buses. that's people getting in and out of downtown boston. and the western suburbs essentially locked down. nobody allowed outside. newton, watertown, belmont, waltham, cambridge, alton, brighton. all in a state of lockdown. pete, do they have any leads at this point? a guy gets into a car and drives away. they said he fled on foot. did they pursue him at that point? >> he did get away and they were trying to find him. they now believe they know the building where he is. that's their belief. they're not positive about it, but they think they know where he is. because they're not sure, that's why the community is on lockdown. >> so pete, the little that we know, the ied strapped to the suspect who perished, his body, the grenades and explosives that were tossed out of the car window, it seems that this isn't just homemade in the last minute, in the past few weeks, that this is planned. is there any possibility there could be others involved given the amount of explosives that they had? >> possibility, certainly, but no reason to think so that i've heard of. that's obviously one of the things they'll now try to pursue once they get this situation in watertown under control. they will now try to backtrack, look at these men's background. i've heard nothing to indicate others are involved. >> pete, just following your chronology here. robbing the 7-eleven seems to be the moment that set this off. >> yes. >> did the fbi or any local law enforcement have a lead on them between the time they released the photographs and that robbery at 7-eleven? in other words, had they gotten on to their trail, or was it that event that set this all off? >> well, i think two answers to that, willie. one is this whole sequence of events starts because these men took this action tonight. >> right. >> not because the fbi was moving in on them. now, having said that, their names were among people that the fbi was trying to find. there was interest in them. so they were sort of on the fbi's radar. these names are not -- the fact we know as much as we do about them is because they'd already begun to consider them possible suspects. there were others, but these were certainly on their list. >> nbc's pete williams. we'll be checking back with you later. thank you very much. willie geist, this has been an incredible night of astonishing breaking news as the two suspects, which seem to elude police and law enforcement authorities in the moments after the double bombing at the boston marathon, now with all the pictures and the video that they were able to put together, they were able to hone in on these two guys and even hone in on video that showed them watching after the initial bombing attack in boston, which shows just the brazen, sick, atrociousness of their approach to this, that this is -- these guys were on a rampage to do much more. they were armed, dangerous, and you know, the night didn't end without them killing or maiming more people. >> there can be no question now that they had further intent based on what they had with them last night. according to pete's reporting and others, they were throwing explosive devices out the vehicles during the chases. the suspect who eventually died wearing an ied on his body. we don't know where they were headed, what they were about to do. it looks like that was fwathwar. again, there's still one suspect, the gentleman in the white hat, on the run. the western suburbs of boston essentially locked down. the mbta is shutting down until further notice. it's buses, subways, commuter rail. that's people coming in and out this morning of boston. this city is locked down. this is incredibly unusual. this is remarkable. that tells you how dangerous they think this remaining suspect is. >> law enforcement officials just had a news conference a few minutes ago telling people to keep their businesses closed, to stay in their homes, not to drive in the streets, not to use mass transit. then the police chief got to the microphone, and it was a desperate plea. please, please, watertown, just stay home today, lock down, don't talk to anyone unless it's a cop. the fear in watertown is palpable. our prayers are certainly with the people in watertown and the surrounding areas. and our prayers they find this guy as soon as possible. let's go now to nbc news national security analyst michael leiter, who's in washington. michael, we've been gathering information throughout the night. we want to be careful. having said that, it's fairly clear that there were two men on the run who were highly armed and dangerous. one is down. that man had an ied strapped to his body. what are the possibilities that people ought to consider in the watertown area and surrounding towns when they think about this guy on the run in their midst? >> well, as willie said, the fact they're shutting down the entire metropolitan boston transit authority and stopping cars in movement into and out of watertown is almost unprecedented. certainly is in boston. we've done this sort of thing when we had the attempted times square bombing around times square. obviously, on 9/11, shutting down the streets into and out of manhattan. but this really does give a sense of how dangerous the police and the fbi think these individuals are. so in that sense, just be meticulous in following instructions. stay away, stay in your houses. i think this highlights why the fbi was so upset with the leak of information and inappropriate reporting. because they understood how dynamic this was going to continue to be. you know, this is now focused on watertown. over the next 12, 24 hours, there will be other locations where the police find out where they were, other sites searched. so this is very dynamic. >> michael, it's willie. tell us about what's happening right now for law enforcement. they have one suspect dead but one who, based on what he's done in the past, still has to be deemed incredibly dangerous based on the bombings for which he's a suspect on monday and based on what they were carrying in that vehicle with them a few hours ago last night. what does law enforcement suspect he's doing right now? >> first of all, they're trying to get the facts clear as well. reporting from these scenes is going to be incredibly garbled. they're going to do as much forensic analysis as they can. they're going to track the individual. if, in fact, he was international, a student visa, they're going to search records against other people who came into the country when he did. they're going to be doing the same thing with the other individual to try to identify him. they'll go back and look for communications between these two. so this is another threat that they're pulling. they're going to pull on all of these threads over the next several hours. >> all right. it's just about the top of the hour. 6:00 on the east coast. it's been an astonishing night on the east coast. willie geist is here with me in new york as we cover the reports of explosions and a massive gunfight with two men in watertown, massachusetts. it's evolved into a full-on man hunt. it's all
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kids, yelling and screaming. we just wanted to try to get away as quickly as possible. >> a bad day for boston. if we pull together we'll get through it, we're a strong city, a lot of people willing to work together as we gather here today, with all our officials, let's say, boston will overcome. >> right now on "andrea mitchell reports" -- terror in boston. this hour, the latest on the investigation. >> the fbi is investigating it as an act of terrorism. any times bombs are used to target innocent civilian, it's an act of terror. >> we stress that any information you may have, any videos or photographs not just at that scene, but anywhere in the immediate vicinity could be helpful to this investigation. >> everyone should expect continued heightened police presence and everyone should continue personally to be vigilant. >> the victims, including 8-year-old martin richard. >>> and the dozens of people undergoing repeated surgeries today. >> i think the most important thing to consider right now is that all the patients are first alive. and second, are in rather stable condition. they're quite sick, some of them. and admitted to the intensive care unit. but overall we're very pleased with the results. >> as flags at the white house are lowered to half-staff, president obama praises those who rush to aid the injured. >> you want to know who we are? what america is? we respond to evil. that's it. selflessly, compassionately. unafraid. >> good day, i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. the fbi and intelligence agencies are involved in an intensive search for evidence and we have new details, breaking news about the explosives used in the boston bombings, joining me now, nbc news justin correspondent pete williams and michael leiter. pete, ha have you learn about the bombs themselves? >> well, what we're told by authorities, andrea, is that they're crudely made. they appear to have been assembled inside a pressure cooker. it may be some of our younger viewers don't know what that is, but in the olden days when you wanted to make something tender, you put it in this pot with a tight lid on it. and the steam wouldn't escape and you could build up pressure and things cook faster in them. the premicrowave days. inside a pot like this, a pressure cooker is assembled the device. it includes a low-power explosive. something like black or smokeless powder, gun powder, if you will. not a high explosive like dynamite or a plastic explosive or the common tatp, which seems to be the one of voice of terrorists when they build bombs, terror bombs overseas. so it's crudely made, it's set off they believe by some kind of electronic timer. it's carried to the scene, they believe, in some kind of back pack and then just set down before the devices go off. unfortunately all bombs can be devastating when they go off. this was not one that was, in the word that seems to be the a parlance these days, sophisticated. >> michael leiter. i've spoken to people and what's the standard procedure for intelligence agencies, going back over any signals that might have been missed. tasking people with communication, in light of the fact that this is a pressure cooker, used in my childhood to make soups and stews before crockpots, before things were done electrically, tell me what this tells you about the possibility? i know this is hard to draw inferences but these are the kinds of clues that are significant. >> the basic aspect of using a pressure cooker, frankly, i don't think it tells us all that much. that's because we've had some groups that have used this. and we've also had inspired, inspired folks use something like this. >> tapping into techniques. >> right, the times square bomber guided by the pakistani taliban used a pressure cooker, it didn't work because he used the wrong materials inside the pressure cooker. so the fact is we have a common type of explosive, one is that how to build it is readily available on the internet and elsewhere. so probably anyone can do this. in terms of the sophistication, the tool may not have been particularly sophisticated. the fact that the person was able to plant these and get them to go off in close succession in this crowded area, it shows some ability. i think it's still too earl will i to say. it was a group, an individual, how they might have been motivated, where they came from. but the fact that they're not using sophisticated explosive tools does probably, it should give us a bit, a very, very small bit of comfort. >> pete i know you've got to get back to your ongoing reporting. let's talk for a moment about the need to be patient here. from our experience, yours and mine and the investigators in past past terror attacks here in the united states, it can take months, years or never to find out who the perpetrators are. >> that's right. when you have a situation like this where unless they get some other piece of information like a witness or someone who was aware of these things being prepared. or suggestive travel or intelligence, or something like that. if you're just basing it on what's on the ground. it does take a long time. it can take a long time it took years to catch the unabomber. it took well over a year to find eric rudolph, the bomber in the olympic park bombing in atlanta in 1996 and the abortion clinic bombings that followed on from that. so, yes, these things can take a long time. they can also, you can also get a break and find a fingerprint on one of these bomb parts and be off to the races much faster. >> so it wouldn't be surprising if this thing takes weeks, that would be unsurprising in the bombing investigation. where your primary piece of evidence was literally blown to bits. >> michael, another question about your experience within the administration, several administrations what is the pressure level on intelligence experts, you've got a lot of -- understandable motivation, political with a small "p" to get answers to the american people. >> it's a professional obligation to get the answers to the white house. i would guarantee you very few people, the fbi and the white house and the cia and elsewhere, have gotten any sleep. something like this happens, it is constant high-level meetings. every little bit of information that comes out, that leads to another string of investigative, investigative steps. for example, pete mentioned that these were likely contained in backpacks, that's incredibly valuable. because now as the fbi is collecting data from cell phone photographs and videos, people know let's start looking for backpacks that people might be carrying that might be same color of the backpacks that contained the bombs. everything comes up. lots of steps on the investigative front that immediately gets right back to the white house. so incredible pressure on the white house and elsewhere. >> i know there was they were considering reports that all the shrapnel came from inside the bomb, came from the metal, the explosive effects from buildings. i heard one surgeon today at mass general say he believed from his surgeries, the head of the trauma unit that it was shrapnel from the bomb itself. and that they were turning pieces of evidence from the o.r. from the investigators over to the fbi. that's important stuff. >> absolutely. every individual they'll be treated to get the medical care they need. they'll be federal officers or local police officers there in the hospital, collecting all of this data. as a doctor noted, many of these fragments were consistent in size, that will be critical for the investigators to understand if it was actually fragments put in the bombs or damaged caused to the buildings and windows and things like that. >> michael leiter, thank you very much. joining us with the latest information from boston, msnbc's chris jansing and nbc's ron allen from mass general. chris, first to you, the latest on the scene. you've talked to so many witnesses, so many people. you know the community, tell us how things have evolved the day after. >> just a few blocks from what is an active crime scene. and to pick up on what michael lighter just talked about. one of the things we heard was a call from the folks around the finish line to send in their photos, send in their videos and they acknowledge there could be not just thousands, but maybe tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of them. they're particularly interested, obviously, in those that were taken during the blast. right before and right after. and they said, do not hesitate to send them to us. we promise we will follow up on them. it is going to be extremely difficult. you can just imagine with potentially tens or hundreds of thousands of photos, like looking for a needle in a haystack. what officials are saying is you don't know as a citizen, what might be important and we're going to look for it. we're going to find it. part of what is being called the most complex investigation that's ever happened here in boston. trying to find the person or persons who perpetrated this horrific crime. we learned this morning that 176 people were taken to area hospitals, 17 of them critical. of course the three fatalities, only one of them has been identified. a little 8-year-old, who was called a great kid, his name is martin richard. part of a large and loving family. his family was there watching his dad run the marathon. his mother last night had brain surgery. her situation is very critical. so is his sister's, her leg was blown off in the blast. so just one story of one family, and the horror that happened to them. i also want to tell you that the crime scene is coming down a little bit. they've shrunk it from 15 blocks to 12 blocks as they look for information. a lot of businesses are shut down. a lot of people here still who had come from almost 100 different countries to run the marathon and the conversations you hear around town, andrea, today is of course where were you, how close were you to the time of the blast. i heard someone this morning saying she had crossed the finish line just moments ago and wondered what might have happened if she hadn't pushed herself in those final few miles, conversations we're hearing over and over again. andrea? >> chris jansing thank you so much. and chris, you just referenced this. let me read a statement just released from bill richard, the father of martin richard. he has written, my dear son martin has died from injuries sustained in the attack on boston. my wife and daughter are both recovering from serious injuries, we thank our family and friends, those who know and those we've never met for their thoughts and prayers. i ask that you continue to pray for my family as we remember martin. we also ask for your patience and for privacy as we work to simultaneously grieve and recover. thank you. with that statement, we go to ron allen outside mass general, ron, this is obviously the most tragic of many tragedies, an 8-year-old child this family with the wife, the mother and daughter, also grievously injured. there's so many more in the hospital behind you as trauma surgeons are desperately trying to bring people back to recovery and many people with amputations and lower-leg injuries. ron? >> indeed, andrea. and the young boy killed is from dorchester, which as you know is a typical middle class, working class, hard-working neighborhood here in boston. that death is going to echo throughout the entire community. it's going to tear at everyone's heartstrings, because it is the family seems, we don't know a lot about them. knowing the neighborhood they're from, it could be so many other people from this great city. the family was probably like so many other who is went down, patriots day, the kids have the day off they're there to see the boston marathon. maybe they took in the red sox game at 11:00 in the morning before that. just so quintessential boston. and so heartbreaking and there are two other young children who are still in critical condition. a 9-year-old girl and a 10-year-old boy at children's hospital here in boston. both of them have severe leggies are, amputations, perhaps, we're not sure. there are a total of 17 people in critical condition. the eight year we ask the doctors, what's the prognosis, and they said, probably okay, they didn't say they were out of the woods or anything like that. they're very cautious while trying to be, and being as optimistic as possible. still very, very somewhat tense, serious situation here. you can see behind me, there are police officer who is are stopping every car that arrives here at mass general hospital. it's the same situation at hospitals around town. and other sensitive buildings here in boston. perhaps a metaphor for the fact that is a continuing tragedy with 17 people in critical condition. the death toll could increase, there's been no indication of that just yet. the doctors being very cautious as they say that the people in critical condition are going to be probably okay. that's all they could say. andrea? >> ron allen, thank you so much. among the runners yesterday was gabriel gomez, a former navy s.e.a.l. and a harvard mba one of the republicans running for the nomination to compete for john kerry's senate seat in the special election. he crossed the finish line just before the blast and gabriel gomez joins me now from boston. first of all, thankfully you are all right physically. but tell me what you experienced as you crossed the finish line and then heard the blast? >> sure. yeah. first you know, my family and my thoughts and prayers are with martin's family. with families of the two people killed, and with 176 people that were seriously injured in the hospital. two blocks before the finish line. my wife and kids were there. my youngest is an 8-year-old son. and i went over there and greeted them, gave them the hugs and kisses and i finished the finish line, minutes before the explosions went off. i was about a block and a half away. i heard the explosion, i saw the smoke. i heard the explosion, my first innistinct was to try to get ho of my wife and kids to make sure they were fine. we were supposed to meet up right afterwards. it took about 30 minutes to get ahold of them. you know my emotions were boiling over. it went from sorrow to grief to quite honestly, anger. i mean this is pure evil. what kind of person would you know, set a bomb you know, next to civilians, to try to kill, maim and dismember. you know i've seen some pretty bad stuff in the military, but this is beyond the pale. it was an mazing to see the first responders that responded immediately. i saw the police officers get on the horn right away and get people there i heard about the nurses that crossed the finish line, turned around right away, went back and started offering support. started giving blood. i know this is obviously the most horrific event we've had in boston. but we also saw the best in boston yesterday. >> i know you've suspended your campaign, obviously, but take me back again to those first moments. you had not yet been reunited with your wife and children. what did you do when you heard the blast? you clearly knew that this was, this was something that was terrorism. >> i was about a block and a half away. i heard the blast, i saw the smoke right away. i could tell it was coming from where the finish line was. i had just seen my wife and four kids minutes before and obviously the first instinct was trying to get ahold of them. cell phones were down, you couldn't text, it took 30 minutes to figure out my wife and kids were fine. the first reaction was to get ahold of them and try to figure out what was going on and quite naturally try to see what i could do. i was just unbelievably heartened to see the first responders were right there right away. the security detail and the police officers were doing everything they possibly could to respond. and you saw the best of boston yesterday. this was a horrific event. only going to make the city stronger. >> as a former navy s.e.a.l., fighter pilot, a combat veteran, you have have training, the best training. but you were also responding as a civilian and as a parent and husband. what about all the people you saw around you and how they responded? and what does this mean for civilians for all of us at these large events? >> this was supposed to be most amazing day of the year for boston. 117th straight boston marathon, hundreds of thousands of people having a great day. it's the last thing that you think about when you take a left on boylston and come across the finish line. the first responders and the police detail and security detail could not have done a better job. from what i saw. and what i continue to see today. and the investigation. these people will be found, they will get caught and they will pay the punishment that is due to them. but yesterday, you saw the best of boston after you saw the worst of what could happen in boston. and you could not have had a better reaction to what happened yesterday seconds after the explosions went off. >> as the mayor of your great city of boston said, boaststoni are tough, they pull together. this is clear to the whole country. our thoughts are with you, good luck to you and your family, i know there's a lot of psychological healing that has toe take place such as a trauma like this. >>> and we do have a little bit of good news to share. members of the newtown community who ran in monday's marathon, there were there for the last mile. say all are safe and uninjured. the newtown strong runners finished the race before the explosions. they were running the 26 miles in tribute to the 26 victims at sandy hook elementary school. and the last mile was supposed to be in their honor. gives you k on all purchases, plus a 50% annual bonus. and everyone but her... no. no! no. ...likes 50% more cash. but i don't give up easy... do 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support for the people of boston. while telling new yorkers that the city's law enforcement remains vigilant. you saw police commissioner kelly right behind him. vigilance after the bombings. new york congressman peter king serves on both the house homeland security and intelligence committees. he joins me now. we've been here before in other instances, this is in some ways as bad as it can get when you see a marathon being run in the city of boston on patriots day, a school holiday. and there you have terror. what more do we know, our own, our own team led by pete williams is reporting now. that they were backpacks and pressure cookers. two bombs made in pressure cookers. what if anything does that tell you. >> i have heard that as well. i've heard it secondhand from people who are familiar with the investigation. i do know that i, my understanding is that those pressure cooker type bombs were described in "inspire" magazine several years ago, the magazine of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. that's the extent of what i know about pressure cooker bombs. that's the one where they were telling americans to how to make bombs against their own country and the magazine did call for attacks on iconic athletic events. >> i've checked with the official sources i have, we don't know what it is, who, whether a single suspect or a group, foreign or domestic, intelligence communities now, going back over any information to see whether any incoming in the last weeks or months, even had any hints of this. and tasking bureaus around the world. since we don't know that. ha do you think we need to do in terms of homeland security at these events, you've got baseball games, you've got all sorts of other athletic events coming up today, tomorrow, around the country. >> well, andrea, obviously there's always certain ways that security can be stepped up at an event. the fact is that if someone is a terrorist, they can construct a bomb and put it together. if they can carry it that far, chances are they're going to make it to the event. that's why the intelligence is so important. to be aggressive, to be out front. why it's important to people if they see something, say something. for instance, merchants if they're selling any components that can be used for a bomb. everywhere from ball bearings to beauty products, they can all be used to make bombs. they should notify the police, the police as commissioner kelly does with new york, were out in the community. monitoring what's happening. i know they've been criticized for it that's how you can head off this type of -- hopefully head off this type of attack. so i would say you're promised a certain tightening of security. the main thing is to get more intelligence and that's what has to be done. >> are you satisfied so far with first response and what the federal government is doing, the fbi as the lead agency? >> i certainlial. the boston police department is an outstanding police department, the fbi, homeland security, atf, they're all working on this, the president is leading this. this is not a time for democrats or republican politics, the president is putting in place, putting in motion the counterterrorism and the anti-terrorism units we have in our country that have been developed over the last 11 1/2 years and they're going to do an outstanding job. >> congressman briefly, do you think that this will lead to more cameras? i know it's controversial, there are privacy issues, boston does have a lot of cameras, europe cities led by london have the most. are americans going to have to get used to more surveillance on a daily basis? >> i think we do. privacy involves being in a private location. anyone can look at you, can see you, can watch what you're doing. a camera just makes it more sophisticated. it's no different from your neighbor look out the window at you or a police officer walking down the street. so i do think we need more cameras, we have to stay ahead of the terrorists and i know in new york, the lower manhattan security industry, based on that outstanding results from that. i do favor more cameras they're a great law enforcement method and device. and again, it keeps us ahead of the terrorists. who are constantly trying to kill us. i hope that members of congress, both parties including my own will realize that the war against terrorists are not over. and it's foolhardy to make cuts in homeland securities. especially whose cities, whose police departments need this. >> this poignant message for all of us, this photo was taken outside the dorchester home of 8-year-old martin richard who as we know died yesterday while watching the marathon with his family. his mother and sister still seriously injured. we've all had those moments. when you lost the thing you can't believe you lost. when what you just bought, just broke. or when you have a little trouble a long way from home... as an american express cardmember you can expect some help. but what you might 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what briefings are you getting about what happened? we've been told by our own pete williams that we're talking about two bombs, pressure cookers, loaded with some sort of material in backpacks. >> well actually the news accounts over the last 24 hours have gotten much better as you know. i think that the fbi and the boston police department and the state police have done a good job of sorting some of the early data and getting the information out to the public. i thought the governor's position was very helpful. >> what are you hearing from the white house? what help are you getting from them? >> well, you note that the president in his press conference or at least his remarks, indicated for the first time that it was an act of terror. i think that given the aftermath of the richard jewel situation back in atlanta. that the white house was cautionary, but declaring this is an ak of terror it means it was undertaken in a sophisticated manner. let me say that the place where these two bombs exploded near the lennox hotel, behind the boston public library, on boylston street, it is the apex of where everybody gathers at the end of the marathon. people who come out of fen way park. they head to the end of the marathon. that's where people are cheered on. whoever did this, with two bombs almost simultaneously going off, they knew precisely what they were doing. >> you're not hearing anything to indicate whether we're talking about foreign or domest snik. >> that's not come up, andrea, as far as the dialogue has gone. >> what more do the people of boston and the people of massachusetts need in terms of homeland security help, federal aid, medical help, post-trauma help? >> well i think there are a number of things here as we reach out to those families with grief. also to be reminded of the role that the boston hospitals play. they're the best arguably in the world. i think that the fbi, the boston police department and the state police have certainly done a terrific job. i also think it reminds all of us the need to be vigilant. constantly. we are in a representative democracy very vulnerable. it's difficult for us to change our lifestyles, to stay away from public places and yesterday in america there was no more of a public place than right outside of the lennox hotel. >> congressman neal, thank you very much. this is a another point to remind everyone that they want your video, they want your tells. and those are very important pieces of evidence that could help. you don't know what could be important, so get that information into your local officials, congressman, thank you very much. >>> thank you, andrea. >>> from new york to boston. a sign of solidarity. messages of support lighting up the side of the brooklyn academy of music overnight. the artwork from the new york city light brigade and the artists, including messages of peace and love and the martin luther king jr. quotation, darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that. 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what did you do? >> well the officers started to whisk us away from the danger and towards the other end of boylston street so we walked down towards boston common in a brisk manner. as soon as we got out into the public. we were dispersed. it felt great to be away from where the harm was, but a little lost, frankly. a little disengaged and not really knowing what to do. i went directly to my hotel and which is not far, thankfully and spent some time watching the news and getting updated on what had happened. >> susan davis, you were there as a spectator with family, with friends. tell me where you were and what you saw. >> i had actually watched part of the marathon in the morning. had gone to the red sox game, they play every monday morning on patriots day. just gotten out of the game and went back to watch some of the finishers around 2:00. i was on my way to the airport when a police officer walked by and said there had been a couple of explosions by the finish line. and i knew that we didn't have any reporters on the ground here. so we turned around. got as close as we could. never actually saw the site of the blast. butdy get near the medical tent where they were performing triage on a lot of the victims and had a chance to talk with eye witness who is were there. it was a pretty horrific and gruesome conversation with a lot of them. one of the things that has become very apparent here yesterday and certainly today. is a sense of community here. how much people have helped each other. i saw people coming out of their homes and offering runners food and drink as you said. you've run a marathon, there's a lot of people in shorts and tank top who is couldn't get back to their hotels who are very cold. people offering them places to stay, places to sleep. so there's been a tremendous amount of kindness in the streets of boston. behind us, they started a makeshift memorial where people have dropped flowers at the edge of the security perimeter. i spent a lot of the morning talking to boston marathoners, in the streets of boston they're wearing their colors of yellow and blue today proudly. loosely-coordinated effort to show pride for the race and almost every one i talked to said not only would they run again, but they plan to do it next year. >> and it's been reported the new york marathon will run in the fall. they're going do run that, that is like the boston, not as old as the boston marathon. but it's iconic and you've got millions of people who turn out along the way. not only at the finish line. tom you're the head of the sports group in "u.s.a. today." susan was at fenway yesterday. as were so many bostonians. what about athletic events in our country? how are we going to protect -- in a stadium, you can do magnetoto meters. >> you can only hope it doesn't diswade people from participating. sports it at its best when we're doing things like marathons, when people are out here participating and competing with causes in mind. you hope that this doesn't, doesn't take away from that. what do sports do? sports is one big event after another. and for those of us who attend most of them, it's really challenging. it's becoming concerning about bringing your families to those events. but americans are resilient. you know, i think as susan said, the selflessness is what struck me over the last couple of days. it starts with the runners who are selfless just by doing what they do for these causes. secondly, it was selflessness of the volunteers. he was watching volunteers jump over fences into the area where the bombs had gone off. without any concern for themselves. it will be on display again i suspect in november in new york and at next year's boston marathon. >> tom and susan davis from "u.s.a. today," as you point out, in the last 24 hours, we've seen the worst and we've seen the best of america. thank you. thanks for being with us. we'll be right back. ♪ constipated? 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experienced yesterday just having run the marathon. was this your first boston marathon? >> actually i did not run marathon. i was taking photos of the marathon. i was shooting the marathon for -- >> sorry. >> shooting some runners. >> i was about, sorry, continue? >> tell me what you saw. >> i was about half a block away when it happened. and i was just entering a rest rauth when it happened. and the first bomb had gone off and i didn't even know what had happened. what it was. what was going on. but everyone around mere, including myself got extremely still. and i could see outside. the whole restaurant had windows, and everyone outside had stopped mofgs, turned around, was looking in any direction to see what it was. until the second bomb went off. when the second one went off, at that point still people didn't know what was happening, whether it was a bomb or what it was. but it was something bad. i ran out immediately, and i could see smoke down one of the streets. and then next thing you know, people are crying and screaming and just running in any direction. thousands and thousands and thousands of people are running in any direction they could. just, just to get away from what they, what they saw. >> so what did you do next? >> i, i immediately left the restaurant. headed to the hotel which is where i was saying. right next to the medical tent. i went actually to try to go get my camera. to go up there and come back down to see what i could do, take some photos, but the security was super tight. as i was going back to the fairmont, you could see, it was right next to that. you could see what was happening. you could see people bleeding from their head, running, i think a lot of the people didn't even know they were bleeding, they were just running out of pure shock and fear. it was very, very intense. >> we're glad you're out of it. obviously all of those injuries. we now know that more than 170 people were injured. thank you very much for being with us. we'll be right back. >>> held on patriots day each year, the boston marathon has become part of the state holiday that begins with the red sox game at fenway. joining me now, "boston globe" columnist, kevin cullen. you've written about this today, about what this mean for bostonians, for the people of massachusetts to have the marathon hit by terrorists. >> yeah. it was striking because if you saw the, some of the footage my colleague at the globe, still took some remarkable footage of the bombings. when that first bomb went off, you saw the first responders jump over, they pulled the barriers apart. they pulled all those flags down. because i mean, boston is an international city but the most international day in this town is marathon day. people come from all over the world. those flags were thrown into the street, as i described them. they looked like victims themselves, splayed on the street. i think it was a powerful piece of symbolism. whoever did this didn't attack the boston marathon. they didn't attack boston. they attacked all those countries. they attacked all of us. >> and another thing that you wrote today in your column in the globe, you wrote, it would be wrong and a cliche to say we lost our innocence on monday as a plume of white smoke drifted high above boylston street as blood pooled on the sidewalk from the boston library as several limbs lay areplied the bruise asked the bloodied and the stunned. their ears bleeding. we will get through this but we will never be the same. that is part of this evocative, emotional beautifully written column that captures your community. >> i didn't mean to imply that we would be cowed. we will not be the same the way new yorkers were never the same after 9/11. and we lost a lot of people on 9/11. the two planes that crashed into the towers took off from here. i knew a number of people on those planes. we will not be the same. but i'll tell you one thing. we will not be cowed. whoever did this, i'm sure they considered it an act of war. and i wonder if they have children of their own, someday if their child looks up to them to say what did you do during the war, that person is honest, they'll say i killed an 8-year-old boy. his name was martin richard. that's what did i during the war. >> we have a picture from the ap that was released by martin richard's father who released a statement. we've seen him now at an ice hockey game, we've seen him in his communion suit. the heart breaking loss of this child with his mother and sister grievously wounded. what that family is suffering symbolizing what the city suffers. as you point out, resilient, yes. combative and tough. but also hearts are broken. >> they are -- they are an exemplary family. they're a classic boston family and they're very involved in their community and very loved in their community. and you know, last night people gathered at a restaurant in dorchester to remember martin and to celebrate the richard family. they're class all the way. >> the terrorist or terrorists knew what they were doing. because as other guests have described, from usa today, people pour out after going to fenway on patriots day and go to the finish line. they go to the restaurants and the bars to cheer on the runners and to take part in the finish of the marathon. so in hitting 15 seconds apart, two bombs, they knew they would get the maximum number of people at that location. >> absolutely. this was about as cynical as anybody could do it. and it was. the four-hour mark, that's where the majority of runners obviously, the elite runners finished much earlier. these were the ordinary mom and pop and people who train on weekends and try to keep their jobs. that's sort of the spirit of the boston marathon. the average plodder. that is who was coming over the finish line at that time themselves wanted to kill as many people as possible. that's the kind of people they are. >> we know the kind of people bostonians are. thank you for joining us. thank you for your column and your reporting. that does it for us. for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." my colleague tamron hall has a look at what's next. >> thank you very much. coming up in our next hour, we've got new developments in the boston terror attack. we're learning more about how the explosives were made and what was used to conceal the two placed along that marathon route. i'll be joined by tom cost tello, pete williams and a number of experts. we'll play back the president's remarks a few hours ago. plus, we'll be joined by a father at the marathon honoring his son who was killed in iraq and why this photo of him has captured the hearts of so many. all coming up next. 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why. but we have a better idea as to what was detonated here in boston. nbc's pete williams has been following the investigation in d.c. all day. pete, good evening. >> brian, good evening. still so many questions, but one has been answered, how many explosive devices were left at the scene. that answer is two. and officials describe them as crudely made but effectively used. and as of tonight, no suspects, no idea who did it or why. >> reporter: investigators have begun the process of recovering tiny pieces of the bombs to learn how they were made. they say it appears the devices were assembled inside pressure cooker pots similar to this one packed with bbs, ball bearings and nails to magnify the injury. as these homeland security bulletins note, pressure cookers have been used for decades in terror bombings. instructions for making them appear on the internet including just last month in an al qaeda magazine "inspire." investigators say the explosive in boston was most likely smokeless powder, gunpowder like this, available at sporting goods store, not something more powerful like
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stopped. we believe now that this is not the case. savannah? >> pete williams our justice correspondent. we know you will continue to monitor it. that is a piece of new information that there was another bomb found the charles gate section of boston this morning, but that it was safe ly detonated by authorities and of course we will continue to work to determine what connection it bears and whether this does mean there are potentially accomplices here. as pete reported authorities are concerned about that. the town of boston and community of boston, more than a million people when you count the suburban communities are under lockdown this morning. they have been told by authorities, including this massachusetts governor who came out this morning and addressed the news media to give a message to the community, do not leave your house. public schools are closed in boston. the transit is closed in boston. there's a no-fly zone in effect over the boston metropolitan area. only law enforcement, of course, is able to take to the skies in that area. we have what can only be described as an ext
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possible accomplice. let's bring in nbc justice correspondent, pete williams. this is a quickly developing situation. how many people are the police looking for right now? >> i think they're not sure. i think we can say probably three. dzhokah tsarnaev, the person who is the man with the white hat and the marathon bombing on monday. for sure. and then possibly as many as two others. people that are described to us as possible accomplices. the authorities think that they may be in the area. that's one of the reasons for this extraordinary request that all boston residents stay home and off the streets. leaving the city looking pretty much like the day the earth stood still. and they also found a bomb this morning in boston. that was safely disposed of. so you put those factors together, and that is the explanation we're told for why this extraordinary security regime in which people not only in watertown, where they think that satsarnaev is still holed somewhere, possibly where everybody has been gathering and also in the boston area, shutting down the mass transit system for many, many mil
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, please pass along information to us. bill bratton in our london bureau tonight. pete williams, our justice correspondent, continues to make calls and report this story out from our washington bureau. pete, what do you have? >> reporter: well, i was struck by what the police commissioner said about urging people to stay home. the fact that there seemed to be at least as far as his information goes two separate incidents and two separate places in boston. one at the scene of the marathon, the other at the jfk library. and we also have seen a number of local communities raise their sort of alert level, putting more people on the street. and i'm assured, though, by a couple of federal officials that i've talked to that they're not -- this is not happening because of some additional information that something else is going on that we don't know about. that these -- that the department of homeland security, for example, an official there tells me it has not put out any kind of an advisory urging local communities to be on a higher level of alert. that what we're seeing around town or aro
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libraries, is not confirming this as an explosion related to the marathon explosion. so a bit of a disagreement. so the source on that terrorist explosion is the chief of police. we have to pause here to allow some stations to go to local coverage and welcome others to our live coverage. 5:00 p.m. here in the east, and that is the aerial picture of the aftermath. earlier, this is what happened. during the running of the boston marathon at the finish line, about an hour after the top tier finishers, you see the smoke plume there from the first explosion, and there in the foreground the orange flame, the moment of impact from a secondary explosion seconds later. it was instantly reminiscent of how a lot of bombings have been carried out overseas, a lot of bombings that have targeted our men and women in uniform. an initial explosion, a secondary explosion right at the moment people are running in to help. we have since learned of at least a third explosive device that has been blown up in place and disposed of in the city of boston. biggest day in the city of boston all year, always. patriots day. the boston marathon. this is videotape from the immediate aftermath. being told something -- okay. this is on the "boston globe" website. we knew this existed. it's just coming in. ground-level view. and then the second explosion to the left. and i'm being told the photographer of the video, steve sill, is on the phone with us. steve, can you hear me? >> yes, i can. >> so you were using -- hey, steve. you were using a digital camera, just doing your job at the finish? >> yeah. i was at the finish line, getting the late runners coming across. much of those are charity runners. at about 2:50 p.m. sitting right up on the finish line. you know, things just going along swimmingly. and then boom, we heard a loud explosion. right at the corner of boylston about 15 yards from where i was. smoke billowed up in the air. 20 seconds after that, just as we were getting a grip on the scene, a second explosion went up on the next corner. that would be boylston and fairfield street. apparently, both devices were in trash cans. and they went off. and it was carnage. glass blew out at the marathon port store by the first explosion. then we hay number of cuts and bruises, facial cuts. i saw a man who lost part of his leg. and then all the folks on the marathon tent were treating the runne runners, obviously had to get called into action, scrambled up and started treating people as quickly as they could. the police, the fire, everyone was scrambling. there was a chaotic scene, and the injuries were nothing short of horrific. >> and steve, i keep returning to the image of the one older man with the red or orange shirt who stands out so much because he was among the runners. the first to go down in the overhead view. right there in the foreground of the still picture. just such a tragic thing. he was so close to finishing the race. and as we keep pointing out all day, for non-marathon runners, this is the achievement of a lifetime for so many people. >> yeah. and i can't even imagine what was happening further up the course because we still had thousands of -- thousands of runners still to cross the line. the folks were at the four-hour mark and beyond and that's really the bulk of the runners. they had to be corralled off there before they even got to boylston street. everything turned quickly into a crime scene. we were all escorted out. we are now currently in lockdown at the fairmont copley plaza hotel in the marathon media center. we can't move. so we're just following instructions now. and watching the news reports. >> steve, for folks watching around the country, i've been trying to figure out how to describe what this day is like every year in boston. it's almost like new year's eve in times square in broad daylight in terms of crowds and side streets being crowded, people packed into the bars, people in hotels. >> yeah. my whole life, i've been living here since '85 and it's always been known as the best day in boston. patriot's day. we've got the red sox playing at 11:00. last year when temperatures were up in the 80s it was a perfect day for the runners. 40 degrees at the start. and like you said, people have the day off. people are typically along the sidewalk when the explosion went off. to so a lot of people out there, unfortunately, that turned a beautiful day into just a horrific day. >> steve silva, thank you very much. i'm sorry for the occasion that brings you to us. we've been talking to the man who took what is now this sought-after web video from boston.com. just, again, calmly going about taking pictures of the runners at about the 4:09 finishing mark when all hell broke loot across from the boston public library building there. bill bratton, former boston commissioner, and for that matter new york and l.a., is over in london. boston native. watching, listening to all this. commissioner bratton, what more can you add? you've made your way to our london bureau. what more can you add about all this? you've watched taking place. >> well, the location where the bombing occurred was probably about 25 to 50 yards from the actual finish line. the bombing seems to have occurred, based upon the timing that you've identified, an hour to two hours after the lead runner would have come across the finish line. good news about that, if that bombing had occurred at the time of the actual first runner, it would have been a lot more people in that area. but after two hours or so the crowd has dissipated. that bomb went off in front of -- i'm very familiar with that corner. there's a bank on that corner. exeter and boylston. and i've worked that marathon as a police officer, az sergeant, as a lieutenant, as a superintendent, and as a police commissioner. and it's for me, as you might appreciate, just horrific. i have relatives running in that event. and it was really just both shocked and concerned when i first heard of it. >> and commissioner, i mean, it's been described at that side of boylston as opposed to the risers, the kind of reviewing stands -- >> bleachers. >> had more kind of public access. it's hard to navigate the streets at the end of the route every day of the year, but i guess more of a possibility of some movement among pedestrians along that stretch. >> right. that area, looking at it, would probably have been a restricted area. you have bleachers on one side of the street obviously the side of the street where the bombs apparently went off. but that block contains the, if you will, the press stand that goes across the street. that would normally be a restricted area. it would not be open to the general public. but again, as i mentioned, two hours before when the actual race came to an end with the first runner, it would have been more crowded than it was at the time of the actual event. and that's the good news. the location of the bombing was probably intended also for maximum visibility of the media because that literally is 25 to 50 yards from where cameras all over the world are positioned to record that race. >> and what do you think is the level of security? if somebody wishing to bring a parcel like that, and i've heard more than one person now say that it was in a trash receptacle, based on what you know, would they be encountered -- there wouldn't be any mags. would there be dogs as they came onto that block? >> well, the normal procedures, and i'm sure the boston police commissioner in the days ahead will be speaking specifically to the security procedures. the normal procedures would be dogs. would be in some instances m magnometers in terms of very specific secured areas. as you saw, very sizable police presence along the route. as to the specificity, some of which i'll be able to speak to. other aspects they won't be able to talk to and won't talk about. that that portion of the event would have been one of the most highly secured portions of the event. it's the finish line. it's within 25 to 50 yards of the finish line. so it will be interesting over the next several days to hear what in fact occurred, that a device was apparently left or planted in that location. >> and the good news, commissioner, we will have, i am guessing, several different surveillance camera angles of this parcel and presumably the human who deposited it there. >> well, the good news is there's a bank there, that there's a number of security -- i'm very familiar with that area. i'm there all the time when i go to boston. and there will undoubtedly be surveillance cameras. also, heavy reportage in and around that area before the event. even some of your news cameras may have picked up additional information. the police will certainly be seeking to get any video whatsoever that might pertain to that particular location. >> commissioner bratton, thank you. we ask that as you learn things please pass along information to us. bill bratton in our london bureau tonight. pete williams, our justice correspondent, continues to make calls and report this story out from our washington bureau. pete, what do you have? >> well, i was struck by what the police commissioner said about urging people to stay home. the fact that there seemed to be, at least as far as his information goes, two separate incidents in two separate places in boston -- one at the scene of the marathon, the other at the jfk library. and we also have seen a number of local communities raise their sort of alert level, putting more people on the street. and i am assured, though, by a couple of federal officials i've talked to, that this is not happening because of some additional information that something else is going on that we don't know about. that these -- the department of homeland security, for example, an official there tells me that it has not put out any kind of advisory urging local communities to be on a higher level of alert. that what we're seeing around town, or around the country, here in washington around town and around the country new york, other cities taking precautions, sen tirely driven internally. their own decisions to raise their level of security based on what they and the rest of us can see happening in boston. on the concern that if somebody's doing it there someone may try to be doing it somewhere else. there are lots of unconfirmed reports, brian, that we're still trying to nail down. there's all sorts of conflicting information about whether there is or is not an arrest here. we don't know that for certain. but all we know for certain is what the police commissioner has said, and what we're told is the additional security around the country is simply based on local police commissioners, their equivalent of the one we just saw, making this decision on their own. >> pete, it's bad enough, however, to listen to the governor say stay home and avoid crowds, in effect shelter in place. >> well, right. and that was -- what led me to wonder whether there was something larger at play here. but i'm told that as far as the people i've talked to is the answer to that is no. that i think the reason they're staying that in boston is they still are not confident that they have their arms around exactly what happened here. different incidents in different places in town. that raises the level of concern whether there could be some place that they don't know of yet. until they can get a picture of what happened here. until they can reassure themselves that they have nailed this down and know the two ends of the bookends here, i think that's why they're saying that. >> okay. pete, i want to back up. we keep going by these photos. they go by us unreferenced. we have pictures from the jfk library. those who visit it know it's just got a beautiful spot out on the water. the president's boat, in fact, is part of the display, and the sloping front lawn. you see boston p.d. -- a boston fire unit outside. but then this next picture shows the char of black smoke out of the entrance. and we just -- this is the subject of differing reports and much speculation. we heard the police chief himself say we had a third explosion at the kennedy library. but all afternoon during our coverage we were aware of what was called an electrical fire in an equipment room out there. so we're going on this explosion notion based on the word of the police commissioner, city of boston. but that is one wing -- actually, the new wing of the jfk library. i want to bring in david abel. he was among the witnesses we have lined up to talk to us on the phone. david, where were you -- you're with the "boston globe," i should point out. where were you when this happened? what did you see? >> so i was standing on the finish line, taking videos of runners coming in when the blast, the first blast occurred about ten feet from where i was standing. i saw a large plume of white smoke, and then a few moments later there was a second blast, and what i and other people that were right there realized what was going on, we saw what was essentially a pile of bodies. we saw a lot of horrific things, the worst thing i've ever seen as a journalist. we saw a lot of blood, a lot of shattered glass. i still can't get the image of a woman clearly not breathing with her eyes open, staring straight up at the sky. >> david, this is -- you know, all of us who've been overseas in war zones, these injuries are going to be absolutely consistent with the urban explosions we've seen in baghdad, in kabul, and certain this methodology, an initial explosion and a secondary, is familiar to all those who fought wars overseas. it's unbelievable. >> yeah. it's definitely frightening. at first we were stunned by the explosion, weren't sure what was happening. a lot of people were thinking, as often is the case with explosions, that it was like a firework perhaps, a celebratory gun salute for the finishing runners. and the contrast is really jarring because you had this moment of great bliss and celebration of runners just making it across the distance of the marathon, and then suddenly everything changed. >> you're not the first person to say, and it's completely understandable, like a starting cannon in a sailboat race, that this was your initial -- who's thinking, you know, terrorism at the finish line of a boston marathon, for goodness sake? that it was a planned outburst of some sort. >> i think as soon as i heard and anyone else heard explosion, we knew immediately, like when we saw the second plane hit the second tower of the world trade center, knew immediately that this was premeditated. >> yeah, that exact same thing occurred to me, that when one thing happens it could be a gas line, it could be, quote unquote, a natural occurrence in a big city. when the second one happens 20 seconds later, it's a good bit likely that this is an attack. david abel, thank you very much. i'm sorry for what you've been through. thank you very much for calmly reporting on it for us on live television. mike capos is another eyewitness who was there. mike, what did you see? >> hi, brian. i was actually at a restaurant called town at the top level with a lot of windows about 100 yards from the finish line. kind of felt the first experience. everyone was a little rattled. and the second explosion happened, and from the windows literally just saw a sea of people sprinting away from where it happened. just a complete mob scene running in the other direction. >> mike, are you a bostonian? >> i've lived in boston for about six years. originally from rhode island. >> i was thinking today about the ben affleck movie "the town" and how the plot line to a lot of people might have been outlandish. they were going it rob fenway park. and kind of the most unbelievable plot line you can imagine in boston. except for this today, no one would believe explosions at the finish line of the boston marathon. it's hard to describe the kind of citywide party atmosphere one day a year in that city. >> yeah. i mean, it's -- it is unbelievable. i mean, i've celebrated the marathon for the last, you know, six years here. and just the sheer panic in people's faces. i'm currently at a friend, cory griffin's condo. we've take nen people from abroad. people from london are here. you know, just giving them a place to charge their phones and make calls. we have people from california and chicago. and it's just -- it's very chaotic. and frankly very scary. >> and mike, also, it's hard to overestimate the kind of number of people per runner who are in town. you know, if you've been training in oklahoma city, if that's where you live, to come run the boston marathon, your support group is probably with you on the trip. and you've saved up for airfare and a hotel room or two. and this is such a big day. all those people from all different countries are crowded into the boston metropolitan area today. >> yeah. i know people that are from all over the place that are here today. and a lot of people are asking where to go. and going back to your hotel doesn't seem to be the safest place. that's where they're telling everyone to go, go back home, go back to your hotel or get out of the city. but i mean, it's a scary place right now. >> and at the same time avoid crowds, which is not easy to do on marathon day, patriot's day in boston. mike capos, thank you very much for being with us. thanks to all our eyewitnesses who have so calmly described this horrible thing that will leave so many people who just were in the vicinity in shock as a result. just to update you on the latest figures, just in to us from the "boston globe," more than 100 people have been treated. and thankfully, that also can be injuries that in the scope of things today have to be called quite minor. if you were in that vicinity, in the blast shield area, and escaped with a piece of shrapnel given how fiendish and awful this is, i suppose you should be considered among the lucky. this is government general. i think the e.r. entrance. you see people running around with those foil blankets to retain the body health for marathon finishers. we're all very familiar with, having seen them on tv. patients are coming in wrapped in them as blankets. but again, this happened next to what we heard the whdh reporter describe as the biggest emergency room in boston on this day every year. it's set up to give emergency triage assistance to marathon runners. this, again, is the video from the "boston globe" website. we just spoke to the photographer who took it. and you have the first explosion and then to the left seconds later you hear the dull roar of the second explosion. all of it taking place at the finish line. as former boston police commissioner bill bratton pointed out correctly, at least it didn't happen at the very moment of finish as you would have even more people crowded in there. welfaren't done this in a while. let's listen in to our coverage over these pictures on wgdh, our nbc station, as they search for more explosions in boston. >> able to detonate that with a controlled blast. but this is what they've been doing. and in fact, a lot of our crews out there, janet wu saw a number of officers and investigators going up and down the streets looking for what else might be out there. >> we'll stay on top of this for now. we mentioned earlier that our colleague, steven cooper, he always runs the marathon, and nothing different this year. he ran it again. he joins us here in the newsroom. fresh off the streets. coop, you have the floor. tell us what happened, what you experienced, what you saw. >> basically, it was just like any other marathon. this was my eighth year in a row that i ran the boston marathon, and we were coming sort of into the home stretch, so to speak. so for all of us, the thousands of runners that sort of had come through ken morris square and were heading under the mass ab bridge to make the turn onto herelford and boylston -- >> the td garden canceled for 7:00 against the ottawa senators. they will reschedule that as the city and authorities from the fbi to the atf to the -- >> we seem to have had our audio lines crossed as this reporter for our nbc station was recounting his run today. for the boston marathon. someone else raised this issue. remember, at the time of the blast boylston was then shut down because you had wounded runners, wounded onlookers, wounded public safety folks, and a cordon was put up. all these runners are under way at speed for the remaining length of the 26.2 miles. this happened as far as we can tell around the 4:09 mark. the finishers who had just gotten across will get their 4:09 certificates. but before that you have miles of runners, thousands of runners, yet to cross the finish line. and you can almost start to see the makings of the backup if you look down boylston. let's go to chuck todd at the white house. and chuck, we've been talking to you mostly about the precautions securitiwise at the white house. but of course the broader story is the president getting briefed on this. whatever decisions the president chooses to make, we do know he called governor patrick right before that briefing. >> right. he's now gotten two daysal briefings since then, one from the fbi director robert mueller and one from the homeland security secretary, janet napolitano. so he continues to be in receive mode. i can tell you that in the way these situations work literally you have a group of analysts that are in the situation room. a lot of the national security aides. particularly his chief terrorism adviser is going to be getting a lot of the reports through there. and they use that room for obvious reasons. it's a security room, and it's where they have all of this intelligence coming in. and to use that as well to brief the president. so right now he continues to do that. as you reported, he's made phone calls. we do know that the joint terrorism task force has been activated between federal, state, and local in massachusetts. and obviously, with what we're seeing here with the many low-grade lockdown that has taken place here as far as who can come and go into the white house complex, and people being particularly tourists, being held off onto the other side of pennsylvania avenue. and we see plenty of uniformed secret service standing guard. and now vehicles going up and down just to make sure folks aren't loitering around. >> and chuck, for what it's worth, now the boston police department is backtracking a little bit back to what we thought was the case before that briefing. this gets confusing. we heard the boston police commissioner say there had been a third explosion. he indicated it was related to all of this. at the jfk presidential library. boston pd through its twitter account is now saying update, jfk incident, meaning the john f. kennedy library, appears to be fire-related, which is exactly what we made of it all afternoon. so it's not consistent with an explosion related to this, which is good because we've got enough problems in central boston. >> no, that's right. and i know that the jfk library itself just put out a statement saying all aspects of the idea it's connected is speculation and they didn't want to go from there. so -- we're in that mode, where there's a lot of tidbits and not a lot of confirmation. and that's what the white house is trying to sort through, in dealing with all of the various incoming they have in in terms of trying to be careful. we know others have not been as careful, but be careful about what comes from a government official in particular. >> that's right. chuck, as you've been speaking, the white house has released a still photo of the president with two national security aides. dennis mcdonough is nearest to camera there. and also on the phone at the time he received his briefing on this, obviously in the oval office. jim miklaszewski reporting from the pentagon. officials tell nbc news there is no information to indicate there are any additional threats following this explosion. this is also a point pete williams made earlier. in effect, you could learn of a lot of precautions being taken, especially in major east coast cities. it does not mean they're happening as a result of any additional threats. and chuck, we can't point that out often enough. >> and brian, i had a security official tell me that had there been warnings in advance that you would have had a different style of security at the boston marathon. yes, there was plenty of security because it's a major event going on on a big day in boston. but there wasn't the type of early warnings, you would have seen a difference in the style of security that boston would have been going through, had they had some sort of advance warning or threat had come in. >> chuck todd at the white house, thanks. i mentioned boston mayor tom menino earlier. you perhaps heard governor patrick say that he started his day by visiting the boston mayor in his hospital room. well, there turned out to be no keeping mayor menino down. even though he was in the hospital being treated for a broken leg, even though he has had so many health challenges just since this past winter, including diagnosis of diabetes and he had some heart trouble, he has decided not to run for re-election, he is, however, the longest-serving mayor in the modern history of boston. he is the number one booster of that city and this event. he apparently -- we'll bring this to you live when it happens -- is heading toward the microphones to give his own press briefing. and generally just say to the people of boston we'll get through this. dean walker, who has been really helpful to us, is part of the universal sports, another arm of this company, universal sports network coverage that was up there in a production trailer. not far from the finish line. if you'd been watching our live coverage, dean heard the first concussion and saw the second. and dean, right now in that city with the t, the subway shut down, and so many streets for such a wide area being shut down, it just must be -- the governor's warning to people to stay in place, stay home, they must have no other choice. >> it's very true. because the area that the marathon was running has been evacuated for quite a wide radius. and back where we are at our hotel there's a large crowd of people in the lobby because they just have no place else to go right now. and a lot of family members are concerned because at the time that this happened there was still another two hours for the runners to be able to complete the course. so a lot of runners were still on the course when the explosions happened, and so their family members at this point don't really know where their family is because of the fact there is very -- you know, very sparse cell phone connections and texting. a lot of the runners weren't carrying their cell phones. so some family members are concerned. >> and dean, the other odd part is people are being told to avoid crowds. on this day in boston if you're outside the perimeter area, where pedestrian traffic is allowed, to your point, you've got a race stretched through the city that kind of stopped in place, and i guess somehow they will figure out a system of finishers where people were running. you've got 26,000 just runners. and then kind of there must be a two-person per runner support staff average. it must be absolute gridlock in some parts of that city. >> absolutely. and especially with the family members that are here. i have been speaking to people from australia, people from france, people from russia who have come here to run the marathon because you know, running the boston marathon is such a tremendous achievement for many runners because it's the only marathon that you run in that you have to qualify for. so those 27,000 people running in this event train very hard and very diligent ly just to qualify for this marathon. then to come here and run it is such an honor. a lot of times they do bring a lot of their family and friends here to be able to watch them do it because it is such a historic -- a personal historic event for them. >> how long do you think the lockdown -- and by that i mean if you're in a hotel, if you're in an apartment in the prohibited zone, you're going to be there for a while. you think tonight maybe people might be able to move around? we heard of a ground hold at logan. so people with flight reservations may be in some trouble. there's no road map for this. >> yeah, it's a very difficult question to answer because the fact that we were immediately after the blast, we were evacuating to the fairmont copley hotel and by the time we got over there they weren't allowing anybody else in or out of that hotel because of the large mass of people inside. so at that point is when we decided to return to our own hotel, but making a very wide circle around the explosion area. >> and dean, the coverage was probably we've decided, what, the 4:09 mark puts it an hour after the elite top-tier -- two hours now after the elite top-tier finishers of the race. for people not familiar with the race, can you define -- we keep hearing these were charity runners at this point in the race at around the four-hour mark. what does that mean? >> well, it's still most likely -- these were a lot of qualified runners, not the charity runners because when the marathon takes off, because there is 27,000 people, they release them in waves. and that way the start area is not congested because if you sent everybody at the same time it would be a very hard situation for the runners to go through. so even though the race, the elite men took off at 10:00 a.m. eastern, the runners behind them sometimes take over an hour or more to get up to the start line to start their own race. >> okay. got it. dean walker, universal sports. he's been very helpful to us today. he did not anticipate needing to do this today. he was simply in boston as part of allen iverson sports coverage of the boston marathon. we keep looking at this video of the emergency entrance at boston general. you see the silver blankets we've become familiar with in seeing them in marathon races over the years. being used just as triage blankets to keep people warm as they were transported. every boston ems rig, all boston fire, boston pd, all leaves canceled, all shifts reporting to work. they've treated 100 people at hospitals so far. last death toll we had was three. and the last official -- the official number of injured has not agreed with the number of treated. so we're going loosely on that. but it's "the boston globe" reporting 100 treated so far. 5:36 p.m. here in new york. and to our north, an american tragedy at a great american tradition. the boston marathon. this is the view of it as taken from the camera platform high above the finish line in yellow there in the foreground. one explosion, and then between 15 and 20 seconds later, and we'll time it out with more specificity, a second explosion a distance away. we had pursued all possibilities that this was perhaps -- and you see now the version from boston.com, "the boston globe's" video arm on the web. we had pursued all possibilities that this was perhaps an underground gas explosion in an urban area. it just made -- would have been a little bit too much of a coincidence for this to have happened at the finish line of the boston marathon. the toll of dead and injured has been steadily climbing. the next briefing will be at 7:00 p.m. in the city of boston. we will, however, be hearing from mayor tom menino, who has left his hospital room, where he's been treated for complications from a broken leg, to come talk to the media on this extraordinary day for his beloved city. pete williams, our justice correspondent, has been working all of his sources in washington on this story since first word arrived of these dual concussions in boston. pete, what can you tell us? >> well, it seems clear now that the authorities are still looking at packages that they find along the street of the parade route -- or rather the marathon route in boston. and if they can't resolve them immediately just by looking at them, they're destroying them. so we only know for certain, brian, at this point of two explosive devices. the two that went off that have been causing all the injuries. and what we know of the two fatalities so far. as you've been reporting, the possible third one at the jfk library turns out to be some understandable confusion in the chaos here. it was not an explosive device. the authorities are looking at and destroying several others. but it's not clear to us that they're destroying them because they know they're explosive devices or simply because, you know, they just don't want to take the chance, to use the vernacular, they just don't want to screw around with it, and if there's any doubt they're going to blow it up. so we only know of two so far. there have been also some -- there are many rumors, as you can understand. one was that the cell phone service had been shut down because of a thought that possibly these devices were -- or a fear, a concern that the devices might have been set off remotely by cell phone. which is a common technique you around the country, around the world as well. but we haven't found any government official to confirm this. and we know that some cell calls are getting through. and one law enforcement official says it could be simply a matter that the system is overloaded, brian. >> also, pete, it's not giving away the nation's secrets. it's been written about. technology exists that was developed after the start of the war in iraq that can go out on ahead of a vehicle and detonate by kind of sending a pulse out on all known frequencies, attempt to detonate explosives that may be along a parade route like this one. >> yes. and there are also devices, and this has also been written about, that are commonly used when high-profile people are traveling around that can follow vehicles and sort of temporarily shut the cell service down in a small area. i've not heard of before the government, either local or federal, asking the phone company to shut down all cell service in an area because of course the cell phones are also being used by first responders. yes, they have their own radio systems and their own communication systems. but they also use cell phones a lot. so that would be a consequential decision to do that. >> and as pete points out, this conflicting report about the jfk library, a good distance away, they did have a re. it does not appear, based on all available information, to have been an explosion per se. certainly not associated or tied with the kind of explosions we've seen on boylston today at the finish line. >> and brian? >> yes, pete. >> as we're talking, at&t has just issued a statement saying customers may be experiencing issues with the cell service because of congestion, and they recommend they use text messaging for emergencies. they say "our temporary wi-fi turned up for boston marathon will remain on for an extended period of time." this seems to be the opposite of the suggestion that they were turning things off. >> okay. we just offered a google earth map there for folks. the basic outlines. you see the presidential library down at the far right-hand corner. the finish line upper left. and then to the upper right is boston logan airport, for those who've traveled into and out of boston. we have this from the -- tom kenney, 43-year-old army vet, recently returned from afghanistan, just finished running in the marathon. "i was about 50 feet away. i just crossed the finish line, i was entering the recovery they're area when the first explosion went off. we heard the noise. we felt a little bit of the percussion wave. it sounded like an i.e.d. that was the first reaction i h had." that is actually the definition of the type of device it is feared and suspected was set off today, pete. whether it's in a military or civilian setting. >> well, that's right. and you know, there's a lot of sort of informed speculation going on about the nature of the strength or size of these devices and what they might be composed of. i have not -- the federal officials i've talked to have not seen any kind of definitive information on what these devices were, whether they were pipe bombs, what the explosive was. but there's a lot of sortar of armchair analysis based on simply what can be seen and heard. the size of that picture there, the white smoke suggests possibly a commonly used high explosive in a lot of terror bombs. but then on the other hand is despite the number of injuries here the relatively low strength of these devices in terms of what they might have been for a relatively small package. not a lot of structural damage to the buildings that are adjacent there. so i mean, i guess it goes without saying here that if -- this could be a lot worse. why these devices were composed the way they were, was it a last-minute thing, could they have made it bigger, who knows? but that's just sort of informed speculation based on -- people who know about xloefexplosives, are watching the same things we are. >> pete, just to let the folks know, what kinds of federal agencies have offices in boston. what kinds will be en route to boston from washington. >> well, the fbi and the bureau of alcohol, tobacco fiefrrearmsd explosives have offices there and are on the scene. in addition, they're both sendinsend ing adigsal technicians to help with the investigation. they'll be the primary investigating agency that's will respond. of course homeland security has people there as well. but in terms of the initial response and explosives, investigating and in reviewing witnesses and helping the boston police with this, those are the ones who'll be in charge. >> pete williams, thanks. those viewers just joining us, we've had a terrible chain of events on what is usually the happiest and biggest day every year in the city of boston. patriots day, the boston marathon. here's what happened. the first of two explosions. as you see there, the finish line is just in the foreground of this picture at the 4:09 mark after the start. after the elite first-tier finishers had gone through. to set the scene for you, 5:45 now. as we see this. at 6:10 eastern time the president is going to address the nation of what has happened in boston today. this is the ground view of the explosion from the "boston globe" website, boston.com. we will have the president's remarks live, obviously. we will have a special one-hour edition of nbc "nightly news" tonight. and then we will be back on the air with a primetime special, 10:00 p.m. tonight, 7:00 on the west coast, on what we have witnessed. and hopefully, we will know more by then. certainly what appear now to be two planned explosions, two devices that were set there and set off for the finish of the boston marathon in boston. they have and exploded at least one subsequent, one other device. we have just witnessed a moment of silence in the house of representatives. we have another eyewitness. dan mercurio. dan, i understand that you are probably going to show up in some of the video of the finishers because you had just passed by where we see the camera location, had just finished the race when the explosion went off? >> i finished about 10 or 15 seconds before it went off. >> and tell us what you witnessed. i imagine you reacted with a start, looked back over your shoulder and saw a plume of smoke. >> exactly. it was kind of unbelievable. we -- i had finished with a friend of mine that i was running with, and we had literally just -- it felt like we had just gotten over the finish line, and people were congratulating us. then all of a sudden you just heard something rock the entire ground. i mean, the ground was shaking. and we turned around and saw the thick gray smoke kind of billow out from this area where there were quite a few people standing. and before we had time to really digest what was happening the second one went off. and that's when we realized that there was something seriously wrong and, you know, we got out of there as fast as we could. >> dan, can you understand the folks who said they thought it was -- you know, initially they thought it was a finishing cannon of some sort, they thought it was something planned? >> yeah. it -- you could have thought that if you had been further away. from where i was standing and the way the smoke was and how loud it was you could tell it was something way more severe than that. it was definitely some kind of bomb type of device. i mean, it was pretty evident from where i was. >> what do you think happened up the route? what -- is there i awave sayi w saying in your view what percentage of the marathon runners, of the 26,000 or 27,000 of you, had passed the finish line at the 4:09 mark and what percentage remained strung out along the route and at speed? >> i would say a little bit more than half of the runners were done at that point. but there were still a large amount of runners that were just turning the corner. it was kind of the middle of the pack. >> where are you now? what have you been told? and what does it feel like in boston right now? >> it's just everyone's in a state of utter shock right now and disbelief that this could happen here. i ran the marathon last year, and it's literally the best day of the year in the city and everybody is just absolutely stunned. we've been told nothing. i'm in my apartment now in boston. i was able to walk home. but all 9 police have been patrolling and telling everyone to stay inside, not to leave until you hear anything else. it's been just devastating really. i mean, it's really unbelievable. >> and dan, of course, among marathon runners there's kind of fewer than six degrees of separation. you get to know the people around you. you -- sometimes a lot of people run with a buddy. they train with a buddy. they know other people in the race. so there's going to be that inevitable search for information. people starting numbers, finishing numbers, wanting to know if everybody made it out okay. >> absolutely. yeah. there was a lot of crying where we were. i mean, people trying to find loved ones and people that were, you know, first-quarter the race behind us. actually, my best friend was two minutes behind me, and i luckily found him about half an hour later. he was turning the corner as the second explosion was happening and had the wherewithal to run the other way. but i couldn't even imagine. it was just kind of a state of panic for a while. >> just this video as it comes in, if you know boston at all, and you know these streets at all, seeing them with yellow tape, what mike lupica said earlier is just one of the great walking cities in this country. you've got newbury street right nearby. this is a terrific beautiful area. and on this day of all days. >> it's hard to believe. it really is. this day in particular. and we had great weather today for a marathon. there were hundreds and hundreds of people just in that area of the finish line alone. but people trailing the course the entire 26 miles, it's what makes -- part of the reason it makes boston so unique. you get people along either side of you the entire way cheering you on. so this -- i mean, this is devastating. >> dan mercurio, thank you very much for being with you after what you've witnessed. congratulations for you on finishing the marathon -- >> thank you. >> -- which is an achievement. i imagine people will kind of quickly forget about despite all it represents today because of what this day will now stand for in the rest of the history of this great race. alicia lane is with us from knbc tod tv, but today finds her in boston. alicia, you're in a hotel. what have you witnessed there? >> i'm no longer in a hotel, actually, brian. we were in the lennox hotel, which was about 150 feet from where the two bombs exploded. at the time, i'm here to see my best friend run the race. she had already met through but we hadn't met. we were waiting for her in a hotel restaurant, and that was when we were sitting right next to the window, this massive explosion occurs, and we felt it. we saw smoke. then another one about ten seconds later went off, and everybody in the restaurant panick panicked. there were people running and screaming. and clearly no one knew what was going on. it was terrifying, frankly. and so we all moved to the back of the restaurant, and we were trying to find out what had taken place. obviously, everyone was frientded and trying to find their loved ones, trying to make phone calls. and then the boston p.d. came in a short while later, told us to turn off our cell phones, all of our devices because they thought it could perhaps detonate another bomb. and at that point everyone was just inside watching the news, and i had no access to anything. i couldn't move in or out of the hotel. no one could get in. at which point they came back in a short while later and ushered us all out. they evacuated our hotel. so i've been out of my hotel since probably shortly after -- after the bombs exploded. >> and does it feel like a bit of a lockdown there? i heard the governor say stay where you are but also avoid crowds. of course there's no way to move traditionally on this day in boston without being in the thick of a crowd. >> yeah, it's really difficult. when we were first ushered out of the hotel, the streets were flooded with people, just flooded. everyone sort of walking aimlessly, not really knowing where to go. and up until about an hour ago it remained that way, and that was when the governor and when the police commissioner had issued the command for everyone to clear the roadways and get out of the streets and also the police on the roads were telling us the same because they didn't want anybody congregated in large groups. so it's very strange. it's actually quiet right now. there are a lot of people walking the streets. there are no longer crowds anywhere. there are a lot of police personnel we see. we've seen tons of ambulances. in fact, there were about 20 lined up on one of the streets we passed by, and i asked the gentleman inside why they were lined up like that, and they said they were there for triage purposes because of the explosions, which you know -- >> yeah. well, we've been saying -- there's alicia, there's one silver lining, and that is the number of medical professionals who are at the finish line anyway. >> right. >> for race day. almost 1,000 of them. to treat, you know, blisters, to treat exhaustion, dehydration. sadly, some of them were probably going to end up being hit by shrapnel along with some of the cops and race volunteers. but at least triage happened quickly and there were ambulances for the end of the race, as there always is. so transport happened faster than possible. so we've got to cling to whatever good news we have. >> right. and i also spoke with two women who were volunteer nurses in that emergency unit at the end, at the finish line. i spoke with them both in depth about what they saw and what they experienced. they said it was very methodical, it was very organized, everyone worked together very well. one of the women i spoke with, one of the rns told me that one of the deceased was an elderly woman and that the injuries that were suffered were really life altering. limbs lost, down to -- >> we've lost alicia lane. we're taking the feed of -- >> some of the explosions happened on boylston street. boston police, state police, all state public safety officials are working together -- all state public safety officials are working together. the governor and i have spoken with the president of the united states just about a half hour ago, and he's offered to do all he can to help with this investigation. as mayor my condolences and prayers to the families of the people involved in this explosion. if someone needs some assistance they can call the mayor's hotline at 635-45-00 if they need some information over the next 24 to 48 hours. will the me just say that this is a tragedy. we're going to work together on this. the boston police, the state police, fbi, all the agencies are committed to working together to make sure we come to the finality of what happened this afternoon. the governor has been very helpful to us on several issues this afternoon. i'll turn it over to the governor. >> thanks, mr. mayor. and thanks so much for coming out to us today. obviously, we all send out our condolences to the victims and their families. we are asking everybody to stay out of the perimeter of the explosions, about a 15-block area. that is a crime scene right now. it's very, very important to help people do their job, law enforcement do their job, that people stay out of that area. we said earlier that it's probably best that people make their way calmly home and if they're visiting the city back to their hotel. the commissioner has prioritized security at the hotels so that -- for everyone's peace of mind. we are working on i guess the term we're using is a drop-in center in the city, so that people who are trying to find runners or family members who didn't meet at the usual meetup space, place because the race was cut short will be in a position to announce that we hope very shortly so that people can -- some assistance to help people find their loved ones. but i really am grateful that all of the federal, state, and local law enforcement officials are coordinating so closely and so well. they are talking. they are all in investigation mode right now. it's a very serious time. we do need people to stay out of the area of the explosions for the time being. >> in the -- >> i'd like to clarify one statement. the device at the jfk library was actually an incendiary device or a fire. we haven't linked that directly to this incident. so right now this incident consists of two explosions that occurred on boylston street. the information that we got about 15 minutes before the prior press conference could very well be premature. but we are still asking people to be calm, to go to their homes, and to work closely with us. if they have information, we need to hear about it. that's 1-800-494-tips. as the governor said, the area, about a 15-block area around the blast site will be closed down for the next 24 hours and maybe further than that. people shobe aware of that when they made plans for tomorrow. >> is there any security footage of any of these explosions? >> we are looking at all of that right now. that's one of the investigative steps that we have taken. >> -- they said they were doing drills this morning for the same exact thing that happened. now, were you given any warning ahead of time of this event taking place? >> as i said earlier, there was no specific intelligence. we certainly increased posture around a big event like this. all of those things happened in preparation for this event. but there was no specific intelligence that anything was going to happen. >> -- do you have any idea what type of device -- >> at this point in time it's too early to get into the specifics. it's a powerful device that resulted in serious injury. >> was there shrapnel -- >> again, it's too early to tell. >> -- a suspect? >> those reports are not true.
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have someone identified as a suspect as the officials come in the room. pete williams watching with us in our washington bureau. that is the word we're using. this is more than of a person of interest, this will be a suspect? >> yes, and we're told what's behind those black poster boards hiding the thing on the easel is not only still pictures, which we'll see of the two men which the fbi is most eager to find. but they're not going to use the usual language of eager to aid in their inquiries, they're going to call them suspects. and i'm told their faces will appear on wanted posters. >> it's been a 24 hours of fits and starts. and false reports on people who have been pursued in this investigation, including folks who have been identified through photography. but this will be the word from the fbi. >>> good afternoon, i am the special agent in charge of the fbi's boston division. since monday's bombings, the fbi and our law enforcement partners have been working around the clock and are fully committed to investigating the matter to bring those responsible to justice. our collective l
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get him caught there and talk. >> let's go to pete williams in washington. >> body found in a boat and, as you know, they have sent in the s.w.a.t. teams and the bomb teams i assume as a precaution to make sure that the situation is indeed over but we don't have an identity on the body. we don't know who it is. we don't know whether the body is a result of the shooting. that would seem to be the logical conclusion, though. >> yeah, pete. right where they are in watertown, the charles river takes a kind of dramatic dip to the south. it does widen there but to your point, you're absolutely right. a lot of people have boats on trailers in their yards, not quite the season for that yet. and then again, there's always a lot of activity on the charles river, the scale of this map is too broad to zoom in with any specificity. >> the other thing that stands out to me and i'm sure to you, just looking at the pictures here, they certainly contrast with the pictures that we've seen earlier today, for example outside the house, where everyone was in a tactical position for a long time. this is
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and pete williams saying there has been though arrest made. the fbi coming out and confirming that. we've got video of somebody setting down a bag, but no idea. they also have what they call solid leads, but no arrests. that's what we stand as we hit 3:00 p.m. eastern time. >> we'll continue to follow it on cnbc. thank you very much for watching "street signs." >>> and we do welcome you to this edition of the "closing bell," a back and forth day of epic proportions for the markets and the news. i'm bill griffeth here at cnbc headquarters. >> and i'm michelle crusoe down here at the new york stock exchange, bill. let's go through what we know at this hour, one hour before the close. the news related to the boston bombings, certainly moving the markets back and forth today. here's what we know definitively. video shows is someone setting down a bag near the bomb location. authorities have told nbc news there are solid leads, but no arrest has been made yet. we've heard that now from numerous sources, including the fbi. no one has been specifically identified. we are waiting, however,
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. nbc's pete williams confirmed that at least one of them was spotted and is believed to be a pressure cooker-type bomb, a pressure cooker from your standard kitchen filled with some sort of powder and perhaps projectiles. at other times, they were described as having something like grenades or improvised explosives. i've seen some reports in the last few minutes that there are believed to be undetonated explosive devices in the watertown area. that's why they're trying to get people as far away as possible. >> chris, thank you very much. we'll have more from nbc news's chris palone in the program. a quick check off markets for you. global markets are taking these event necessary stride. we know very little still about the motives, about these suspects, beyond the fact that one has been skilled and the other is on the run and authorities are trying, of course, to resolve this situation there. we'll be right back. stay with us here on "worldwide exchange." >>> welcome to "worldwide exchange." a manhunt is under way from watertown, massachusetts, for suspect number two in the post bo mar
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now, officials say it is not, at least for the moment, a concern. we have much more on that straight ahead. good morning, everyone. it's thursday, april 18th. we have a lot going on this morning. along with joe and me, and toom failed in the senate yesterday and very emotional reaction in washington including a frustrated president obama and show that to you. as a public service, in our opinion, we feel the need to read all of the names of all the senators who voted no on the issue. an issue supported by 90% of americans. we have a three-hour show and take the time to show you all of those names and perhaps a symbolic disconnect between washington, d.c. and the rest of the country. >>> the investigation into the boston bombings. lots of confusion with some media outlets incorrectly reporting an arrest had been made. pete williams is the best inf te business on this stuff with us ahead on the investigation. with us on the set is mark halpern and former governor howard dean and mike barnicle still in boston and in washington, the huffington post, sam stein. first the latest in west texas. i have reports coming in, joe, say the place looks like a lair literally war zone. charles hadlock has the latest. >> as you reported, the briefing ended here. >> reporter: we will have another one at 10:00 a.m. eastern time. here is what we know so far. at least 160 people have been injured in the explosion of a fertilizer plant in west texas. 20 miles north of waco and 80 miles south of dallas/ft. worth. among the fatal casualties are between 5 and 15 and among those are 3 to 5 firefighters and perhaps one law enforcement officer. houses were blocked around this fertilizer plant. i was in kauffman, county, 60 miles away and we could feel it there. the concussion rattled the windows. we thought it was the approaching storms but it turned out it was much worse than that. it was an explosion that killed several people here in town and perhaps dozens more. mika? >> willie? >> willie geist here. is there any suspension whatsoever of criminal element to this at all? i think the officer who just spoke at the press conference defected that a little bit and hadn't seen any sign of that. is there any suspicion or are they looking into that? >> the officers said they want to treat it as a crime scene until they can rule it out it it wasn't a crime and it was, indeed an industrial accident. in fact, texas has a long history of industrial accidents involving anhydrous ammonia dating 66 years ago on april 16th, 1947, thousands of people were killed in texas city which a ship carrying the same type of fertilizer that blew up here exploded on a ship. the ship started fire. people started coming down to the docks to see what was burning. the ship blew up and killed thousands of people but it wasn't over then. a second ship, the high flyer, was right next to it and the next day, it exploded and that explosion was so powerful, it knocked airplanes out of the sky. that was the worst industrial accident in all of last -- the last century and now we have had it again here in west, texas, anhydrous ammonia, a product of fertilizer which is desperately needed here, this is a farming town. this town had a fertilizer plant here to make the fertilizer to put on the crops to grow the crops. unfortunately, they had a fire and fire and fertilizer do not mix. >> nbc charles hadlock, according to investigators on the scene it is still being evacuated. bill karins, let's bring you in and with the latest on the weather. >> two concerns. now on the ground what is in the air and what direction is it blowing in and for the fires that are still burning from the explosion, how are the firefighters dealing with it and trying to put them out? it's a windy night and difficult task for the first responders. here is west, texas, 30 to 35-mile-per-hour winds all night and that is very difficult conditions for the firefighters to fight. there is this cold front coming down and rain and thunderstorms about to move through west texas along with strong thunderstorms. behind it, the winds are going to shift like they did up here in dallas to 40 miles per hour. we just heard in the last press conference they are not really too concerned anywhe more with gases in the air and those are dangerous to first responders and new information we just heard. they are not worried any more what is in the air but getting the fires out from the explosion last night. you can see from the radar the rain is about to begin. it's a small town. one thing i was just looking at is there was a middle school right across the street. right across the street from this explosion and thankfully it happened and everybody cleared out of it. from the sounds it, the school may not exist any more. >> we will learn more as the day goes on. some homes were devastated. bill karins, we will be in touch with you that as well. >>> president obama is set to visit boston later today. authorities have the face, but not the identity of at least one person seen leaving a black bag near the scene of the explosions. they are circulating a photo of a man in a white baseball hat to law enforcement agencies that despite a confusing day of reports yesterday that a suspect had already been arrested. pictures and video from surveillance camera and civilians have helped lead authorities to a person who sat down a heavy duffel bag at the site of the second explosion. authorities have been recovering evidence from the scene from bbs and nails and shrapnel and batteries and wiring to a pressure cooker lid that landed on the top of a nearby building. now they are trying to trace their origin. meanwhile, the boston federal courthouse was evacuated yesterday afternoon. employees were said they were told a code red in effect and ordered to lead and added up to a tense day with no resolution and a lot of conflicting media reports along the way. joe? >> a lot of conflicting media reports yesterday afternoon. many of us began getting the bullet there had been an arrest. that police identified the man that was responsible for the bombing and had taken him into custody and cnn, in fact, broke that and went with that story for some time. then the associated press followed. and other news agencies followed as well. mike barnicle, it was pete williams who went against every instinct in this 24/7 news culture where people seem far more interested in getting it first than getting it right. it was pete williams who kept saying that information is incorrect. and he acted like a news reporter is supposed to act. he actually waited until he got the information and passed it on to everyone else. not an especially good day for journalism yesterday with news outlets messing up on an issue this important to the american people because they are just interested in speed instead of accuracy. >> yeah. i know. it wasn't a good day, joe, for this business. the pressures, of course, are enormous today. the pressures to get things first is e nermnormous, we know. it's now a first, let's get it first! look. we all make mistakes in this business, in every business. i probably lead the league in mistakes in terms of getting things into newspapers and what have you. but the larger issue here is what is going on in the back bay about six blocks from where we sit now out in front of the holy cross cathedral before the president of the united states will be appearing here at 11:00 a.m. this morning. what is going on six blocks from now, is the continual gathering of evidence by forensics teams from the atf, alcohol, tobacco and firearms and the fbi and secret service. they are going to get it right. they are going to get it correct. they don't want to jump into any judgments. they don't want to be wrong when, indeed, they do bring a suspect or suspects into court for arraignment. i think that's the thing to focus on. pete williams focused on that clearly yesterday and he got it right. >> mike barnicle, thank you. we have got another big story that we need to cover this morning so i am going to move on. we will step back into boston for sure throughout the show. but on capitol hill, less than 55% of the senate was willing to back a proposal that poll show supported by roughly 90% of the public. the push for expanded background checks for gun purchases was defeated yesterday in a stinging loss for president obama and, i might add to the script, for the country. and also for the victims of violence who had lobbied congress to reform the nation's laws. >> the yeas are 54 and nays 46. under the previous order requiring 60% for the adoption of this amendment, the amendment is not agreed to. [ screaming ] >> order in the senate! >> in the end, four democrats voted against the toomey/manchin bill that would have extended background check requirements to recover gun sales at gun shows and on the internet. majority leader harry reid also voted no so he could bring the bill to the floor at another time. four republicans broke party ranks to support the measure and there they are. but for president obama and family members of those killed in sandy hook, tucson and all over the country, the vote was incomprehensible. >> action by congress could have saved one person, one child, a few hundred, a few thousand. if it could have prevented those people from losing their lives to gun violence in the future while preserving our second amendment rights, we had an obligation to try! and this legislation met that test. and too many senators failed theirs. this was a pretty shameful day for washington. but this effort is not over. i want to make it clear to the american people, we can still bring about meaningful changes that reduce gun violence, so long as the american people don't give up on them. >> in statement, make mike bloomberg's group said, quote, democrats are quick to blame could is not stand united. republicans so quick to blame democrats for not being tough enough on crime handed criminals a huge victory by preserving their ability to buy guns illegal at gun shows and online and keeping the traffic market well fed. this amendment would have criminalized certain private transfers of firearms between honest sit wecitizens to exerci fundamental right or face prosecution. as we have noted previously, expanding background checks at gun shows or elsewhere will not reduce violent crime or keep our kids safe in their schools. by the way, a new "the washington post"/abc poll show 86% support a law requiring background checks on people buying guns at gun shows or online. so as we toss it to you, joe, to take it to the panel on the front page of "the new york times," it kind of says it all. joe biden with his head in his hands. take it away. >> mika, there's so much to be said here. i think we have to start first let's start with the last thing you read. a statement by chris cox. a man i served with who i've always had great respect for. he's now the lobbyist for the nra. at least when he was in congress, he was considered a reasonable man. his statement was not reasonable. in fact, it wasn't even accurate. in fact, as joe man chin, the author of the bill, said yesterday, anybody that suggested that private gun sales, individual sales from one person to another, a family member or another, a friend to another, would be outlawed or would have to even go through this sort of check is lying. the nra statement is a lie. and i am ashamed of chris cox this morning that he would, for whatever reason, i won't even -- i won't even try to speculate as to why he felt it necessary to lie about what was in this bill. but he did. so the nra, unfortunately, to the very end, from the morning we found out that 20 children were slaughtered and six educators were slaughtered at sandy hook until last night, the nra has acted shamefully, putting out violent video games that 4-year-old kids could play with guns, making horrific statements. the nra is just absolutely behaved shame loessly and they will, of course, pay a cost for this. they will pay it over time. maybe not this year and maybe not next, but they will pay a cost because this battle, mika, is not over. in fact, i got bad news for the senators that were cowarding and running away from reporters who they were asked how they would vote on this bill. i make a guarantee, this fight has just begun and it's going to keep going because there are 90% of us, we are the 90% who believe that we should do everything we can to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists. we should do everything that we can to keep guns out of the hands of violent rapists. we should do everything we can to keep guns out of the hands of gang members. this is very simple. we're just asking for a background check to make sure that the terrorists that are playing tapes and sending them around the world and saying, buy guns in america because their background check system is broken. we want to make sure that they can't do that. we want to frustrate the terrorists and we want to frustrate gang members and we want to frustrate criminals. >> yeah. >> 90%, mika, will not be ignored. and i look at this list and i look at these people that voted no. let's be very clear this morning. they didn't vote the way they wanted to vote. they voted the way the nra wanted them to vote because every one that voted yesterday knows in their heart of hearts after reading this bill that the bill would have made america safer. the bill would have made their state safer from terrorists, from criminals, from gang members. it would have made their community safer. it would have made their neighborhood streets safer. this bill, the president said this bill would only have saved one life. no, this bill would have saved many, many lives. so the american people were insulted yesterday. >> yep. >> and i tell you what, i'm sick and tired of people on capitol hill that i've known for a long time that i've respected, i'm sick and tired of them insulting my intelligence, acting like i am stupid enough and you're stupid enough and 90% of americans are stupid enough to believe that this bill would lead to a national registry! i hear it all the time! hey, the bill itself puts people in jail for up to 15 years. if they keep these names and start a national registry. it's offensive. it's stupid. and, mika, you know what? in the long run, all of those people that voted for a more dangerous america are going to pay at the polls. mark my words. this is going to come up and it's going to hit them in the face. >> i'm going to be taking a look at each and everybody who voted no. we will be putting them up on the screen throughout the show. also just to add to your point, joe. which was so beautifully put. this sums up just how broken d.c. is. this is the one area where this should have passed and then the next thing should have been really tough new mental health laws, regulations, programs that help make the background checks work. instead, we languish in national stupidity over an issue should be black and white. we are not taking guns away. cars need licenses and insurance and things that are dangerous need to be monitored or controlled in our society so they don't get in the hands of criminals. why is this so hard, howard? why? >> i will say put an optimistic spin on this. first of all, i think we should give pat toomey and joe manchin an enormous amount of credit. they are courageous and stood alone and came from conservative states. pat's constituency is very conservative and one of the most conservative people in the senate. joe manchin, west virginia, pro gun state and they stood up and did the right thing. secondly, this is really, i think the end of the civil war and the party. the nra is best terrifying the members of the senate which they did a good job yesterday. we had to go through this to get there. n i think there may be another vote, if not, another bill of some sort but this is -- this is the upheaval in the republican party. this is the attempt of the leadership of the republican party in the form of people like pat toomey to get back to the middle so they can win elections again and nra is very busy recruiting the angry people to them and that is what this is about. i think we had to have this battle. we may have had to lose this battle in order to galvanize the american people to understand how they are being blackmailed by the far right. >> a lot to go through to get anywhere. mark halpern, bring us into the mindset of someone who voted no here? what was the process of thinking before making that vote? >> well, look. it's a complicated issue and yesterday was an emotional day. i don't want to impugn people's motives. a lot of number of republican senators would have voted different had they not been afraid of the consequences. the president and vice president were emotional yesterday and i think they are struggling how to regroup from this. it's hard for me to see another vote any time soon unless they change the bill slightly. >> mark. >> yeah. >> can i ask, how is this a complicated issue? >> yeah. i really want to know. >> you said -- you said it was a complicated issue. as you know, you can go back for six years. i don't impugn people's character for how they vote. i don't judge liberals. i don't judge very conservative people. i know people come from different parts of the country and i always talk about the need to compromise and come together. how is this a complicated vote? it doesn't infringe on anybody's second amendment right and everybody knows that. >> here is why i think it's complicated because, in my career, i don't remember a situation like this where public opinion was so obviously in one direction and there was -- there was public focus on it, white house focus on it, and whatever is in the minds of the republicans and the democrats who voted against it makes this complicated and i don't remember an issue every like this where it was 90/10. >> i don't either. it's complicated because the answer is so simple and it's complicated trying to figure out in the hell people would actually provide the opportunity for terrorists, for gang members, for criminals, for violent rapists to continue to purchase weapons on the internet and gun shows without a background check. willie geist, in my calculation, willie, that's pretty damn simple, if you're interested in keeping america safe instead of keeping your own political seat safe. >> go back a couple of months. this was supposed to be the minimum that the president and the country was going to get on gun control. there was 90% issue. a 90/10 issue. we were talking about an assault weapons ban possibly limiting the size of the magazine clips and whittled down the weeks and months to this background check that seemed logical to 90% of the country and now the president doesn't get that. so you have to wonder with the most powerful man in the world running this, backed by the newtown families. >> backed by lodge k. >> backed by gabby giffords and this put together. >> a lot of law enforcement. >> if you couldn't get over the finish line with the wake of the most horrific gun incident any of us can remember you have to wonder what the future of gun control in this country is, joe. >> absolutely. >> i got to say, mike barnicle, i'm not just saying it. most of the times, i know. when you lose, you lose. i agree with howard dean on this one. we have only begun to fight. this is just the beginning. with every violent act that occurs in the future and with guns being shipped from one gang to another, with terrorists going on the internet advertising how easy it is to kill americans because of our weak background check system, mike, has just begun. this will not end until we have a background check system that keeps our families and americans families safer. >> joe, two points here. one, a lot of analyst and a lot of news reports last evening and this morning are stating that the president suffered a defeat here with the failure yesterday to pass this bill. the president did not suffer a defeat. the american people suffered the defeat yesterday in the united states senate and that leads to the second point. the united states senate is a broken institution. several weeks ago, the vice president of the united states and john lewis stood at the bridge in selma, alabama, commemorating a horrific event there in the 1960s. at that time the united states senate was controlled by democrats. russell long of louisiana and many others. had they been in the united states senate today, had they operated then the way the united states senate operates today, the civil rights legislation of 1964, the voting rights act of 1965 would not have been passed. 50 plus one is a majority. not 60 votes. >> all right. >> you know, mika, i've got to go back to the beginning of this session. there was a lot of talk about filibuster reform. i was out there talking about the need for filibuster reform. for whatever reason, the democrats didn't push. i remember saying it. the day they made the rules to get rid of the filibuster, make 50 plus one pass, if they had made that decision when they set up the senate, then this bill would have passed. i got to say just really quickly. i know we got to go to break, but mark halpern, kelly ayotte of new hampshire. voting against the bill, i don't know that she really helped her cause in new hampshire for re-election, did she? >> west joe look. the way a political price to pay which you're talking about and a lot of these members are not up right away in this cycle will be can they be candidates to run against them in case of the democrats mark pryor? i don't think he'll lose to a republican if you're talking about a political price it means some democrat has to run in a democratic primary saying i'm better to represent the democrats and the people of arkansas than mark pryor because of this vote. >> i will predict this is the end of -- career. governor schweitzer is ahead of him in the polls and bring brian to the race and he'll be the next democratic senator from montana. >> in a retirement? >> yeah, either baucus will retire or lose the primary to switzer. switzer 20-point edge over him. in the democratic primary can you imagine max baucus? montana is a purple state and most people don't recognize that but it is. so that is casualty number one before we even get started. you're absolutely right. this is exactly what is going to happen. >> well, if people are worried about politics, when it comes to political progrenostication, jo you'll get bashed on twitter and people will lash out at you. you're always right about the political ramifications of something. you can always see a step ahead and you're right on this. unfortunately, it seems like some democrats and some republicans in washington are going to learn the hard way. >>> coming up on "morning joe" -- >> you know what? >> yes? >> you don't ignore. you do not ignore 90% of the american people on an issue of public safety. you don't do it. they did it yesterday. and i've got to say, mark it down, this is going to be a turning point in the history of the republican party as well. and let those out there chattering, let them chatter away all they want to and scream like high enas. this party that killed this background check yesterday this party is moving toward extinction. a new republican party will replace it and a vote people will look back on and say that party, that extremism that was unsustainable. >>> coming up, senator joe manchin gives us his reaction to the defeat yesterday of his gun legislation. also senators john mccain and chuck schumer join the conversation and the latest details on the breaking story out of texas where a factory explosion devastating has killed as many as 15 people. several firefighters still missing. more than 160 people injured and they are still looking for more victims. homes have been completely flattened in this blast. let's go straight to bill karins with an update on the weather which is impacting the situation even more there. >> it's going to be tough to get any media in this tiny texas town. i'll show you a map of this west texas town in the fertilizer plant specifically. i was just amazed. it's a tiny town. this is the fertilizer plant on the east side of town and literally has three tanks. this is where the main explosion was. very close to this this is a middle school right across the street. this building here is west haven rest home. west haven nursing home and a little community hospital. we are hearing most of the devastation up to the homes in this vicinity. a map that shows you this little tiny town and the destruction that was done from this fertilizer explosion late last night. we mentioned the winds. they were concerned overthit with what was happening with this explosion, the toxins in the air. now we are not so concerned with that any more. they said the air has been cleared and it's blowing and howling from the south overnight at 30 to 40 miles per hour. the worst part of that was for the firefighters, they had a really difficult time putting out those fires caused by the explosion. it's about to rain in the town right now. they got some thunderstorms that are about to come through. they will also be seeing the winds gusting continually out of the northwest throughout the afternoon. that is the big story in west texas, the little small town that is dealing with such devastation and destruction this morning. more to come on "morning joe." you're watching "morning joe," brewed by 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>> he did have the country behind him and he did something unusual which he really leaned in to an issue where victory was never guaranteed. we have talked on your air again and again about how hard this would be even how unlikely this would be. but we saw very unusual side of the president yesterday. we are told that he found out the vote, the actual count he was in the situation room for a different briefing. he knew what the whip count was so he wasn't watching c-span. we were told he was glum there but as your viewers have seen, irate by the time he got out to the rose garden. gabby giffords and op-ed in "the new york times" calling herself furious. he didn't use that word. >> serious was the word. >> and talking about democrats. >> correct. >> calling out his own party. >> calling out his own party. you saw in the story we had today in politico a question whether ofa which is the president's reconfigured campaign arm is actually going to target members of his own party. they are going to go after the no votes. their big question has always been would it be democrats? that is still an open question. >> democrats whose names we will be putting up on the screen as well. joe, take it away. >> you look at the democrats and the republicans. the democrats are going to be facing an uphill battle in primary fights. i suspect some will be defeated. and that will change the calculation on gun votes. for those democrats who coward in the corner and were afraid to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists and convicted felonf, they will pay a heavy price. for some maybe in a safe district that won't be touched but those not in the safest district this is key. you don't ignore 90% of what the voting population wants when you're talking about the safety of americans. the safety of our families. the safety of our communities. the safety of our schools. the safety that we feel when we send our kids to malls and churches and college. this is, mike allen, i had said before, you picked it up in the playbook. i just want to be clear. i said this party is heading towards extinction. talking about the 2013 conversion of the republican party. a new republican party, though, is going to come in its place. this sort of extremism is going to be called out by the 90%. we're the 90% and we are going to win. this is just the first bamtings. >> joe, there is one particular excuse from several senators that the white house seemed to be decisive and i'd love to get your view. a couple of senators, both parties, said to the white house we could be with you on guns or immigration or gay marriage. we could be maybe with you on two of those three but three at once is just too much. >> what? what? what? that is the excuse? >> that was the excuse. >> i never looked -- i never looked at a bill and said, well, gee, i'm going to vote against this thing because it's the right thing to do. >> right. >> if you're going to have to choose which bill to follow, it seems to me you follow the bill that, first of all, involves safety. secondly, involves keeping guns out of the hands of terrorists. third involves keeping the guns out of the hands of dangerous criminals. >> yeah. >> and has 90% of the american people behind them. now, this was a group of lawmakers cowarding against a way from the nra. >> okay. >> an organization that supported these background checks just a decade ago and it bears repeating that several, several, sam stein, of these senators that voted against background checks to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists and gang members and violent rapists supported it, not so long ago. >> yeah. there's a bit of flip-flopping going on here, isn't there? one of the things i wanted to return to is what barnicle said in the previous block which is that this is a reality of the senate that we live in. it's a feature. it's not a bug. rural state senators have as much power from senators from very densely populated states. i saw a statistic from "the new york times" and it might have been updated since then. senators who voted for background checks represented something close to 65% of the population so if you had representative diagnosemocracy. not to get lost in the shuffle. this was a complete defeat of the gun policy reforms. federal trafficking statute as uncontroversial as a background check bill and given federal authorities more power to crack down on straw purchases of guns and that went down in defeat. there was clearly a universal problem -- >> that is unbelievable, sam! it is unbelievable that, for some reason, my party is now defining conservative as a promotion of gun trafficking for gang members across america and my party is now, for some reason, embracing criminals and violent offenders. >> and some democrats too. >> and democrats too. being able to purchase guns. democrats have stood showered-to-shoulder than somebody like kelly ayotte in the northeast would have had to follow john mccain and i think would have voted to follow john mccain. if barack obama can just get those democrats lined shoulder-to-shoulder and i think the president needs to get mike bloomberg in to stare at every one of them and say i don't know how powerful you think you are but you're not powerful to withstand the money i will throw in your district. >> i was talking to a bunch of people after the vote what could have been done differently and what could be done differently going forward. basically, the only solution that these people had, including david axelrod, you have to show these people electoral downside of voting this way. i'm interested to see what happens in 2014 how they play in these districts and not just democrats who opposed the bill but who took tough votes who did back background checks. >> good for them. >> we try not to be vitamin rvi this show. we have used the words cowards. i wonder if we show a certain tape we have been showing on this show. mike? >> i think you're right it was the democrats with the fuse of what we saw in the rose garden and we are told that the democrat, that the white house is most disappointed in and maddest at is the freshman center in north dakota, heidi heitkamp. they went to her office to lobby her and very surprised. she was the democrat most in play. the others they short of knew. >> she is not up to re-election next year and why they are so upset about this. bloomberg said his aides saying he will spend money to defeat people and support people who voted in favor of the legislation. >> very quickly. there have been a lot of people trying to project what this means for the rest of the second term for president obama if he is weakened by it. how do you see this impacting other immigration, gretietting kind of a grand bargain on this? >> i think poorly. i think he spends a huge amount of capital and nothing to show for it. i think he cared about this issue and very moved about what he saw in newtown and meeting with these families. i think this is a bad moment for him. >> what if it motivates him? the cool obama is now fiery? >> we will see. >> i'd rather not to get to this point to see that. mike and maggie, thank you so much. so great to have you on the set. >> mika, before we end the hour let's talk about the honor roll yesterday, the people that actually took courageous stands. >> yeah. >> that where it wasn't necessarily easy. >> yes. >> kay hagan and mary landrieu and john mccain coming through in arizona. i wish jeff flake would have followed him. pat toomey and joe manchin a hero. mark kirk and some others made really difficult votes yesterday. if you define difficult by supporting something that 90% of americans do and, apparently, in the united states senate in 2013, that's how difficult is defined. it is sad. it is pathetic. >> that's perfect timing because still ahead on "morning joe," joe, two senators who voted yes on the toomey/manchin background checks bill. senators john mccain and chuck schumer will join us. more "morning joe" when we come back. ♪ . until i had the shingles. i have never encountered such a burning sensation... it was like a red rash. like somebody had set a bag of hot charcoal on my neck. i had no idea it came from chickenpox. it's something you never want to encounter. for more of the inside story, visit shinglesinfo.com and his new boss told him two things -- cook what you love, and save your money. joe doesn't know it yet, but he'll work his way up from busser to waiter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and game from the great northwest. he'll start investing early, he'll find some good people to help guide him, and he'll set money aside from his first day of work to his last, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. ♪ >>> coming up next, reverend al sharpton and tina brown join the set and a live report from msnbc justice correspondent pete williams on the latest on the boston bombings. more "morning joe" in a moment. 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3 and 5 firefighters are reported missing as well. according to reports the blast could be felt as far as 70 miles an hour and retchinging 2.12 magnitud magnitude. a number of buildings have been damaged or complete destroyed, including a nearby nursing home, apartment complex and dozens of private homes. take a look at this video that tells the story that tells you why they cannot figure out a death toll at this point. the head of emergency response said some buildings are simply gone. initially there was heavy caution over toxic fumes but now officials say it is not, at least for the moment, a concern. it is also being considered, at this point because they just don't know, a crime scene. welcome back to "morning joe." a lot going on morning. we have been talking heated by will the manchin and toomey amendment on background checks which failed yesterday in the senate. very emotional reaction including a clearly frustrated president obama. we will show that to you coming up. as a public service we will scroll the names of the senators, including democrats, who voted no on the issue. an issue supported by 90% of the americans. senator manchin, a really hero in all this, will be joining us in just a moment. sam stein is still with us in washington. joining on the set is editor and chief of "the daily beast" tina brown and host of politics nation and president of the national action network reverend al sharpton. in washington the moderator of "meet the press" david gregory. we will talk about guns in a moment. the big political issue of the day. updates now out of west, texas, because the weather is causing concern as they try to figure out if they can find survivors in all of this. bill karins has a closer look there. >> we have heard all morning they are waiting for first light to help getting around town and rescuing people and going through the buildings. so dangerous and no power. first light is coming now but, at the same time, severe thunderstorms are rolling through so they have an hour or two before the storms are gone. let me get you familiar with the town of west, texas. on i-35 north of waco and south of dallas. it's small. quintessential small midwest town. here is the town itself. this is the northern portion of the town where most of the destruction was done. right-hand side of the screen is where the fertilizer plant was and where the initial fire was. the tanks are on the northern end of this facility. let me show you shall things in town are. the middle school literally located across the street from the fertilizer plant was empty at the time they are reporting thankfully because the blast happened around 6:00 yesterday evening. also a nursing home they were trying to evacuate at the time of the explosion that is literally only two blocks away from the fertilizer plant. so if the blast happened to the north here, obviously, the blast radius goes out from the center here. they are saying most of the northern half of the town is where most of the destruction is and a lot of homes up here on the north are what don't exist any more and have been leveled and where much of the search has been located this morning. overnight major concerns about toxic gases in the air and now we are hear the air is deemed safe for the first responders on the ground. the winds are howling right now and the front and the rain is coming through. you can see the radar behind me. as far as we're concerned and all of our viewers that want to see the pictures and images of the destruction and devastation the helicopters aren't flying so it will be a while before we get pictures of how bad this is. >> we will be following the investigation in boston as they work to find the culprits in the double bombing at the finish line of the boston marathon. they are making some headway there so we will update you on that. >>> first, on capitol hill, less than 55% of the senate was willing to back a proposal that polls show was supported by roughly 90% of the public. for president obama and family members of those killed in sandy hook, tucson, and all over the country, it was hard to believe that lawmakers rejected expanded background checks for gun sales. >> this was a pretty shameful day for washington. but this effort is not over. i want to make it clear to the american people, we can still bring about meaningful changes that reduce gun violence, so long as the american people don't give up on them. action by congress could have saved one person, one child, a few hundred, a few thousand. if it could have prevented those people from losing their lives to gun violence in the future while preserving our second amendment rights, we had an obligation to try! and this legislation met that test. and too many senators failed theirs. >> so democrats who failed the test senator max baucus and senator mark begich and heidi heitkamp and mark pryor. democrats who are so quick to blame republicans for our broken gun laws could not stand united and republicans who are so quick to blame democrats for not being tough enough on crime, handed criminals a huge victory by preserving their ability to buy guns legally at gun shows and online and keeping the gun traffic market well-fed. the nra weighed in in writing saying this. this amendment could have criminalized certain private transfers of firearms between honest citizens requiring lifelong friends and neighbors and family members to get federal government permission to exercise a right or face prosecution. as we noted previously expanding background checks at gun shows will not reduce violent crime or keep kids safe in their schools. joe, i'll let you take it away. alex, just keep putting the names up is what i think we should do. >> mika, this nra -- first of all, mark halpern told me last hour he didn't believe this was the same chris cox i served with in the nra so if that is it, apologies to chris cox from california. regardless who made that statement for the nra or chris cox who made the statement for the nra, we will have it mentioned in a minute, just lied. we are not talking about whether this is a violation of the second amendment. it's not. it's not. but if you're ignorant, if you you've never read a united states supreme court ruling before regarding the second amendment, then maybe you could come to that conclusion just out of sheer ignorance. but what is a lie is part of the statement where he says that the nra is claiming that the manchin/toomey bill would have stopped transfers from individuals in between family members. it's a lie and they know it's a lie, and every person you see up on this screen enabled the nra to continue spreading their lies across america on background checks. >> yeah. >> we are not talking about banning handguns. we are not talking banning semiautomatic weapons. we are not even talking about banning what some people call assault weapons. we are not talking about banning high capacity magazines. the vote yesterday, we were only talking about having background checks to stop gang members, to stop al qaeda members, to stop violent criminals from being able to get weapons online or at gun shows without us, the american people, being able to be assured first that they weren't terrorists. >> yeah. >> or gang members. or rapists. or convicted felons. it is such a simple concept that 90%, such a common sense concept, that 90% of you agreed with me. that this is something that needed to be done. it's such a simple concept that 8 out of 10 gun owners across america believed that background checks made sense. that it made sense. gun owners would say to me, time and time again, hey, you know what? i play by the laws. i play by the rules. and if i'm playing by the rules, then everybody should have to play by the rules. gun shop owners still can't figure out why they have to check to make sure somebody is not a terrorist or a gang member or a criminal. but gun show don't have to do it and people on the internet don't have to do it. this system is so broken. and every name up there that you're seeing that voted no, they have no excuse. they have no good excuse. they come up with these lame feeble excuses because they are cowarding in the corner and they are afraid of the nra their only two excuses is, one, well, you know, this may lead to a national begun registry. that's a lie because joe manchin specifically put in a piece of the bill that if any of these names were held and any registry were started, the person doing it would be is sent to jail for 15 years. it would be a felony. they would throw them in jail and throw away the key. so that's a lie. so when you hear that in the future, just know whoever is telling you that is somebody that you just can't trust. >> right. >> and the second thing you're going to hear is, well, i had to vote against it because that would stop you from handing your gun to your son. that's a lie too. the nra is spreading that lie. they were spreading it yesterday. they will spread it tomorrow. they are an organization this morning built on lies. they are lying to it their own people. they are lying to gun owners. they are lying to americans and guess what? the american people are smart enough, mika, to figure it out in the end and the nra is going to be figured out. they made a horrible mistake yesterday and they are going pay politically for it. they are going to pay. let's go right now to joe manchin. joe, you fought the good fight. a lot of lies out there. a lot of cowards out there. let's start first with the statement the nra put out yesterday where they claim that if somebody voted for your bill, they were trying to stop the transfer of guns from friends to friends. is that true or is that a lie? >> joe, it's not true and you know it's not true. you know this was a bill that was crafted by many people. it was a balanced bill. people were saying that was president obama's bill and you might not like him. this is not president obama's bill. chuck schumer's bill. it wasn't his bill. chuck schumer and president obama at the white house were moving off their position to find common ground. if we could have had other people to move off their position to find common ground. this was a balanced bill that had anybody's input so if they want to blame somebody, blame me. blame me. i try to bring people together to find a common balance because i wanted to protect the second amendment rights and protect a law abiding gun owner like myself. joe, we did that in this. for the nra to say, i know them over there. for the leadership to say this, then what you're saying is trying to stretch that if i sold a gun on the internet to my cousin, then i make a family member. if you got to sell a gun on the internet to your cousin you better check your family relationship. you follow me, joe? that's where we are, buddy, that's where we are. >> it's so stupid. >> it is. >> let me ask you this, joe. what are the chances here? because i think this is going to pass. >> don't you give up. don't you give up. and here is the thing. i know -- i mean, i know your competitive spirit and i know where your mind is right now. and you're going for the juggler now. i know that. these are good people. i've got to sit don ae and i go to work with my colleagues. heidi heitkamp is my friend. i'm tickled to death she is there. i got to get heidi comfortable so the people in north dakota now how good she is and make her feel comfortable we can represent the people. i can't put a hole and leave a hole in a gun show. i'm not going to allow a criminal or an al qaeda terrorist to be able to go to the gun show like he advertised to pick up guns but if there is some language that is uncomfortable i have to work harder to make them comfortable. joe, if the nra didn't score this, would would have had 15 more votes. if the nra just disagrees saying we tried this before and government, you know, government is overreaching. certain areas i can agree with all of those statements but we had a good piece of legislation that would have saved lives. it will save lives. all i'm saying you can agree to disagree and say this is something we wouldn't vote for but we will not let our members choose but when you have to distort the truth, when you have to misrepresent, when you have to really down right say things that aren't in the bill and scare people, that's not the organization that i have known. it's not the organization i have worked with to put the program together in west virginia to teach young people to respect and be safe with firearms. we got to get back, joe, to some kind of a balance here. you can't have the extremes. the right and the left, the far right and far left is not going to govern and cannot. you can't have the tail pwaggin the dog. >> what hero. >> joe, i tell you what, you go and you be nice to the people. let down the american people yesterday and made it easier for terrorists to get guns and try to convince them that they need to be on your side and i'm sure they will. but i'll tell you this. i'm going to come at it from a different vantage point. >> i know you are. >> we need 60 votes. we need to get guns out of the hands of al qaeda members and i think we can get it. >> well, you think about senator -- joe, think about those who voted no on this and you think about that al qaeda tape that talks about how you can get a gun in america is the best place to go, thank you very much, republicans. thank you so much senator max baucus and thank you very much senator mark begich and thank you heidi heitkamp and mark for siding for that videotape. i know you liked it when we showed it on the air, senator manchin, because it really brought home the point. >> i used it on the floor in my speech because i thought it was just so powerful and i aappreciate you all bringing it. it was powerful. let me just say we are going to win this. this is good. this piece of legislation is a balanced piece of legislation that basically protects and keeps people safe. i've said this on the floor. if you want to help veterans be treated with the respect, this bill cleared that up and we give veterans a chance to transition back into a normal life. then this is a good bill. if you want to keep terrorists and you want to keep criminals and you want to keep people mentally adjudicated from being able to walk down to a gun show and buy whatever they want, you're going to like this bill and keep them off the internet. you're going to like this bill. >> yes. senator joe manchin, thank you so much. i know. i know. >> don't give up. don't give up. we are going to pass. don't give it. >> sounds like a football coach. >> but he is right. >> he is right. >> he is right. >> he is right. this is going to pass. it is inevitable. this background checks for al qaeda members, background checks for violent offenders, it will pass. thank you, joe manchin. we greatly appreciate it. >> joining us from capitol hill republican senator from arizona, senator john mccain. senator, you and i don't always agree on everything. but i could hug you this morning. and democratic senator from new york. >> i wish i was there. >> and democrat senator from new york, chuck shumchumer. >> where is my hug? >> you always get one from me. i'm serious. senator mccain what made you decide to vote yes? >> well, i just thought that the bill was appropriate, that t the -- i've always been opposed to to the gun show loophole so i thought it was the right thing to do. >> can i ask you, senator mccain? this vote is probably going to come up again. joe manchin will be working democrats. you certainly have a lot of influence over kelly ayotte in new hampshire. would you encourage her if she could be the deciding vote to support background checks? >> i've never done that in the years i've been here. i talk to kelly. i talk to many of my other colleagues, but it's up to them. they are grown people and they make their own decisions. i've never been one who has gone out and told people what i think they ought to do. i've made my case and let them make up their own minds. >> let's make a turn now to another, if you can believe it, big story that we're following here which is an attempt at a bipartisan immigration plan. senator schumer, if you can give us a sense where we stand there first. >> today the eight of us will officially kick off the campaign for our bill. we will have people from every different segment of the american society standing with us. we will have business and labor. we will have the religious community from the liberals to the evangelicals. we will have some very conservative people like grover norquist ahead of the american liberal community and the head of c.a.p. this bill has a good chance because of the leadership of senator mccain and many others. we have all met in the middle. you know, i know you're dispirited about washington and so am i. >> very. >> i was with gun control for 20 years and the author of the brady bill we need background checks improved on in 1994. but this is an example of washington working. if you would have watched the eight of us in those lengthy long and sometimes contentious meetings in the room. from marco rubio to dick durbin that we had to meet in the middle to get a bill done, it would restore a little bit of your father and now our voyage begins. >> senator mccain? >> well, i'm very pleased at the opportunity to work with chuck schumer and senator menendez and marco rubio and lindsey graham and jeff flake, they have done a great job. i think we have the outline of the proposal that can succeed. i think it's balanced. we have border security as a very important factor, but we also make it possible to have the border secured. it's not an insurmountable object but, most of all it takes them out of the shadows and gives them a chance to live in a free and open society and with a long and difficult path to citizenship but at least it brings them out of the shadows and make them able to become the kind of wonderful citizens that i know that the overwhelming majority of them will be. and i'm proud of the work we have done and it's been frankly for not the first time, the pleasure of working with chuck schumer who is a tough guy. >> he's from brooklyn. >> senator mccain you tried this in 2006 and 2007 and george w. bush was on your side and ted kennedy and that ended disastrously. what has made the difference in 2013? >> i think two things, joe. one, from the practical side. that is, obviously, the polarization of the hispanic vote. fewer and fewer support republicans and we know what the demographics are. that's on the practical side. most importantly, and far more importantly, the american public opinion has changed. if you tell my constituents in arizona that people who are here illegal, in order to become citizens, have a path to citizenship would have to pay back taxes and pay fines, learn english, and get in the become of the line behind those who are come here legally, the majority of our american citizens want that as a way to be the nation that we are. a judo christian principle nation that reaches out and helps those who need the kind of help these people need. they did break our laws by coming here illegal but the fact is now it's time to give them a leg legal status and a tough opportunity but an opportunity to become citizens of this country. >> senators john mccain and chuck schumer, thank you very much, gentlemen. we look forward to seeing you again. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> we will bring our round table next with reverend sharpton and tina brown and mark halpern and david gregory. stay with us. tomorrow's show rahm emmanuel will be with us. and coming up is former attorney general jon ashcroft on the boston terror attacks. with the spark miles card from capital one, bjorn earns unlimited rewards for his small business. take these bags to room 12 please. 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this person said we will see. we don't know that for sure. i i think it's striking that the nra's public position on all of this was to say, look. if we can do something to prevent the next newtown, we ought to at least try. that's what wayne lapierre said after the newtown tragedy. and his idea was for school safety, for armed guards. indeed, a lot of state legislators have taken that up but when it came to extending what the nra was for in the past background checks, they said, no, no. this gets us down a slippery slope and we are able to have the same impact that they have always had. >> reverend al sharpton, how do i say this as we look at these names and faces? is washington really filled with so many cowards? so many selfish, short-sided politicians who really don't care about leading and only care about winning? how is that? >> i think that is probably about hitting it on the head. they are political cowards. you are talking about people that in the face of newtown, in the face of over 500 deaths of gun violence in chicago, said let's do nothing. you know, mika, i work on the ground with a network. probably not a day someone doesn't come in one of our offices around the country victimized by gun violence or having lost a loved one. what do we tell young people now guns are wrong and don't glorify thug life? what do we tell them you have to have an i.d. to get a beer when you look young but not an i.d. to buy a gun? have courage that members that the 44 members of instant didn't have? this is a disgraceful act. i think joem manchin and pat toomey should be given credit. there will be a price to pay. >> tina brown, my husband is an investigative reporting and covering this issue for years. he leaves one day and goes undercover and comes home with five semiautomatic weapons, lines them up in our house and take pictures to show how's it is to get guns. unbelievable they won't make this process a little harder for people. >> it is really incredible w. when you think about the woman who ran towards jared lee loughner and threw herself on him after he killed six people and wounded gabby giffords and she has the courage to do something like that but this body of cowardly worms don't have the courage to vote against their own self-interest. senator manchin said he is going to sit down with heidi heitkamp. no amount of sweet reason will convince heidi. you have to drive her out with money and hope mike bloomberg can do that with his donations. >> david? >> i think there a little bit more to it than that. because i think that, you know, it's not just money driving out money. i think there has to be thought -- first of all, how sustained will the fight be and that is a question. the president promised to keep going and manchin promised to keep going. i think is there a real possibility that could happen. but i also think how some of these fights get framed is important as well. if public opinion is moving on the idea of additional gun restrictions it seems to me the argument have to be recalibrated as well. why is it that mental health which really does resonate as a problem in these shootings, why was that not made more public and out in front in this debate when it's a critical part of any kind of remedy? the idea that everybody has a role here, why was there so much emphasis on an assault weapons ban and a magazine ban efforts that were tried before and succeeded before but barely and when democrats controlled the house. so i think that is something that needs to be looked at tactically if you want to harness how public opinion will be moving. >> i think we are missing the big picture here. our political system jolts only for massive events and a couple of stats bring that to mind. in 2011, there were 17 u.s. citizens killed in ter rorist attacks. 31,000 plus killed by gun violence. these are happening right now around us. we tend to react viscerally to the terrorist attacks even though they cause the east amount of deaths. we don't have a system geared toward dealing with the problem that is there every day and this that is workplace and gun-related tragedies. >> our thanks to david gregory and tina brown and al sharpton. coming up next, the latest on the town of west, texas. a massive explosion of a fertilizer plant has left multiple dead and many more injured. more m"morning joe" when we com back. 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>> if you're a college graduate, if you're in graduate school, there is no question that a couple of years from now, immigration reform, if it passes, it will make your job search tougher. no matter how you slice it we are adding four to five times visas if this bill passes and more checks companies never had to deal with on how to hire those immigrants. now they have to prove to the government they tried to hire an american before which they didn't have to do before, they just had to promise. no matter what if you're on a job search a few years from now it's going to be tougher. >> your take on the bipartisan plan and where the country should go. >> this bill is not perfect. there are some things in there we want to tweak and things we want to improve but we have argued when we relieved our immigration principles on february 5th that immigration reform should be pro family, it should be pro the rule of law and it should secure the border and protect u.s. softvereignty. today we have over a million children and spouses of people who are here legally. these are people who played by the rules. they have a green card. they have a child or a husband or a wife who is waiting in a line, depending upon the country, that could be 10 to 16 years long. i had an employee who was a political refugee from romania. she fled romania and a 10-year-old son she was trying to get into the country and told by dhs it was going to be a six to seven-year wait. that's a childhood. so questionable that that needs to be fixed. this bill does that. it continues family priority but ends moigration. we don't think anybody who hasn't gotten a green card legally should go to the back of the line. if somebody has to go to a criminal background checks and pay a fine and pay back taxes and go to the back of the line, 76% of republicans support them being able to get a green card. >> right. >> we are adding potentially millions of people to this line and the biggest question is, though, how will we clear that backlog? how are we going to unassure these people aren't waiting 16 years? because if you wait 16 years you will come legally. >> i have to cut the segment short because we are going to go back to guns. thank you all very much. >> thank you. >>> before we go to break i want to put up the names of the senators who vote no on the background checks, just put them up, because these are the people that i think disspirited some of us here the most in what is wrong with washington. this is not about president obama. health care, taxes, deficit. we can talk about his leadership. the president can only run this country when he is dealing with leaders. we know these are not leaders now. they are cowards and selfishness and they have lack of leadership that that put us in this position now where they voted against something that 90% of the country supports, first of all. they voted against something that is right for our country and right for our society. and might make our society just a little bit safer. but they voted no. because they are cowards. and they put themselves in a category that, quite frankly, and i hate to see this, but put the themselves in a category that helps people like this, al qaeda terrorists. take a look. >> in the west, you've got a lot at your disposal. let's take america as an example. america is absolutely a wash with easily obtainable firearms. can you go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and, most likely without having to show an identification card. so what are you waiting for? 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>> that was hugh jackman in an ad for the global poverty project live below the line campaign. here with us now, ceo and co-founder of the global poverty project, hugh evans. i would like to hear about something good that someone is doing. it's good to have you here. let's take a break from all of this bad, bad horrible news. a deep breath from the losers in washington. the cowards. i mean complete fools. seriously. help me out here. >> we all think there's no way we could live off a buck 50 a day. it makes you think i would buy a bunch of crackers so it shows you that you can eat well. >> nuts. >> so is that sort of the point that you obviously know you can't do it so you learn that lesson. for me it goes back to food. you can't eat physical. there's malnutrition and there's this cycle. take us through the number and everything related to the food. >> a couple years ago one of our friends in melvin, australia, was grappling with how can you live on $1.50 a day which is extreme poverty level in the developing world. he challenged himself to do it through a month. through the experience he empathized more and more with the world's poorest people. we decided to make this a global challenge called live below the line to challenge people to live under $1.50 a day. it's kind of like running a marathon for global poverty. every day you do it you get people to sponsor you and money you raise goes to support incredible organizations like the world food program who are on the cutting edge to end extreme poverty in this world. >> one thing about these programs that always strike me, they're good at terms in raising awareness and showing people how difficult it is to live on 1.50 a day. they challenge politicians to live on food stamps for a week and it's hard for them to be able to accomplish that. you raise awareness on this issue. what do you think we in the united states could donate that would translate into action. do we want to teach these individuals who live in extreme poverty better techniques in terms of harvesting things like rice and grain. what is the best type of thing to promote action? >> there's five interventions that will have the biggest impact for the world's poor. you talk about food and agriculture which you touched on. education particularly for women. we're also looking at health and sanitation, water and sanitation and also job creation. these are the sorts of interventions that will have the biggest impact for the world's poor and organizations involved in live below the line campaign addressing those interventions. so opportunity international is at the forefront of providing loans for women in the developing world which is a critical part of poverty alleviation. over 15,000 people did it last year and it raised 3 million for the world's poor. this is making a real impact. >> needed that. thank you, hugh. >> thank you. >> hugh evans. for more information about the global poverty project's campaign, visit livebelowtheline.com. thank you for your contribution to society. thank you so much. >>> still ahead, we're following huge stories this morning. the latest on the boston marathon terror attacks. some headway in the investigation. pete williams has new details coming up in just a few minutes. plus, the search for survivors continues in texas where a factory explosion has killed as many as 15 people. an update on that story next when "morning joe" comes right back. at tyco integrated security, we consider ourselves business optimizers. how? 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beyond it. siemens. answers. >>> live look at new york city. the sun is up. a lot of stories to cover this morning. good morning. it's thursday, april 18th. 8:00 a.m. on the east coast. 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. we have a lot going on including new details on the boston terror attack. following lots of confusion yesterday with some media outlets incorrectly reporting an arrest had been made. we're going to have nbc's pete williams who always has his facts right with us latest. and full reaction to the disappointing example of cowardice in washington with more halperin, howard dean, mike barnicle and sam stein. this morning rescue workers are searching for survivors after a massive explosion last night at a fertilizer plant rocking the small town of west, texas. the blast was caught on camera by a father with his children. >> it should collapse. >> are you serious? >> i really honestly thought we were gone. if you have seen the video first thing i asked her is if she's okay. i was on top of her. i got blasted over on top of her. i thought we were gone. >> at least 160 people were injured in the blast but they are still counting. officials have confirmed there have been fatalities but they really don't know how many. from 5 to 15 maybe more. they have to do a rescue effort and recovery effort in some of the homes and buildings that have been destroyed. between three and five firefighters are reported missing. according to reports from the scene the blast could be felt as far as 70 miles away registering 2.1 magnitude by usgs. the state's resources have been mobilized to assist local authorities. a number of buildings have been damaged or completely destroyed including a nearby nursing home, an apartment complex and dozens of private homes. there was heavy caution about toxic fumes but it's not at least for the moment a concern. the president has been notified. the white house and fema are monitoring the situation this morning. it is being considered a crime scene just because they don't know how this happened. let's bring in nbc meteorologist bill karins with a closer look at the town where this happened and how the weather is impacting in a big way the situation there. bill? >> good morning to you, mika. we hope to have helicopter aerials of the devastation in the small texas town by now but it's raining hard. not safe for helicopters to fly just yet. we'll bring those as soon as we get them on msnbc. let me familiarize you with this small texas town. the town is four blocks wide. this is northern half of town where the worst of the explosion was. this is the fertilizer plant here on the right of your screen. notice it's just open farm fields to the east of that plant. to the west of it and to the north is residential section and populated areas. one good thing if there is anything good that happened out of this, it happened at 7:30, 8:00 local time. the middle school located across the street was pretty much empty at the time we are hearing. that's not the case for the nursing home which is located just to the north of that. you can see it's a very large structure there considering the small size of the town. as far as the devastation going from the blast radius, we hear that the northern portion of the town and blocks to the north of it are homes that may not exist anymore and we'll have you those pictures once we get those air yaair airials. there was no power overnight. now the front has gone through and now the winds are going to shift direction. once we get the rain out of there, then we'll have good daylight and we'll have clearing skies this afternoon. i'm sure there are still rescues ongoing as we speak in that area. we'll have those aerials for you as soon as we get those in. the plant was located just in the northern section of town near a very populated area even for this small town. back to you, mika. >> we have another big story that we need to cover this morning on capitol hill. less than 55% of the senate was willing to back a proposal that polls show is supported by roughly 90% of the public. the push for expanded background checks for gun purchases was defeated yesterday in a stinging loss for president obama and for the country. and also for the victims of violence who had lobbied congress to reform the nation's laws. >> tunder the previous order requiring 60 votes for the adoption of this amendment, the amendment is not agreed to. there will be order in the senate. >> in the end four democrats voted against the toomey-manchin bill that would have covered gun sales at gun shows and on the internet. harry reid also voted no so he could bring the bill for the floor another time. four republicans broke party ranks to support the measure. there they are. for president obama and family members of those killed in sandy hook, tucson and all over the country, the vote was incomprehensible. >> action by congress could have saved one person, one child, a few hundred, a few thousand, if it could have prevented those people from losing their lives to gun violence in the future while preserving our second amendment rights, we had an obligation to try. and this legislation met that test. and too many senators failed theirs. this was a pretty shameful day for washington. this effort is not over. i want to make it clear to the american people, we can still bring about meaningful changes that reduce gun violence so long as the american people don't give up on it. >> in a statement, mayor mike bloomberg's group said democrats who are so quick to blame republicans for our broken gun laws could not stand united. and republicans who are so quick to blame democrats for not being tough enough on crime handed criminals a huge victory by preserving their ability to buy guns illegally at gun shows and online and keeping the illegal trafficking market well fed. the nra also weighed in in writing. this amendment would have criminalized certain private transfers of firearms between honest citizens requiring life-long friends, neighbors and some family members to get federal government permission to exercise a fundamental right or face prosecution. as we have noted previously expanding background checks at gun shows or elsewhere will not reduce violent crime or keep our kids safe in their schools. by the way, a new "the washington post"/abc poll shows 86% support a law requiring background checks on people buying guns at gun shows or online. as we toss it to you, joe, to take it to the panel on the front page of "the new york times" kind of says it all. joe biden with his head in his hands. take it away. >> the nra unfortunately to the very end from the morning we found out that 20 children were slaughtered and six educators were slaughtered at sandy hook until last night, the nra acted shamefully putting out violent video games that 4-year-old kids could play with guns. making horrific statements. the nra is absolutely behaved shamelessly and they will of course pay a cost for this. they'll pay it over time. maybe not this year. maybe not next. they will pay a cost because this battle, mika, is not over. in fact, i've got bad news for the senators that were cowering and running away from reporters when asked how they will vote on this bill, i make a guarantee, this fight has just begun. 90% of us. we are 90% who believe that we should do everything we can to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists. we should do everything that we can to keep guns out of the hands of violent rapists. we should do everything we can to keep guns out of the hands of gang members. this is very simple. we're just asking for a background check to make sure that the terrorists that are playing tapes and sending them around the world and saying buy guns in america because their background check system is broken. we want to make sure they can't do that. we want to frustrate terrorists. we want to frustrate gang members. we want to frustrate criminals. 90%, mika, will not be ignored. i look at this list and i look at these people that voted no. let's be very clear this morning. they didn't vote the way they wanted to vote. they voted the way the nra wanted them to vote because everyone that voted yesterday knows in their heart of hearts after reading this bill that the bill would have made america safer. the bill would have made their state safer from terrorists, from criminals, from gang members. it would have made their communities safer. it would have made their neighborhood streets safer. this bill, the president said this bill would have only saved -- this bill would have saved many, many lives. the american people were insulted yesterday. and i'll tell you what, i'm sick and tired of people on capitol hill that i've known for a long time that i've respected, i'm sick and tired of them insulting my intelligence. acting like i'm stupid enough and you're stupid enough and 90% of americans are stupid enough to believe that this bill would lead to a national registry. i hear it all the time. the bill itself puts people in jail for up to 15 years. if they keep these names and start a national registry. it's offensive. it's stupid. and you know what? in the long run, all of those people that voted for a more dangerous america are going to pay at the polls. mark my words. this is going to come up and it's going to hit them in the face. >> i'm going to be taking a look at each and everybody who voted no. we'll put them up on the screen throughout the show. also, also just to add to your point which was so beautifully put, this sums up how broken d.c. is. this is the one area where this should have passed and then the next thing should have been really tough new mental health laws, regulations, programs that help make the background checks work and instead we languish in national stupidity over an issue that should be black and white. we're not taking guns away. cars need licenses and insurance and regulations. things that are dangerous need to be monitored or controlled in our society so they don't get in the hands of criminals. why is this so hard, howard? why? >> i was going to put an optimistic spin on this. i think we ought to give pat toomey and joe manchin an enormous amount of credit. they come from very conservative states. pat's constituency is very conservative. one of the conservative people in the senate. joe manchin, west virginia, a pro-gun state. they stood up and did the right thing. marks halperin, bring us into the mindset of someone that voted no here. what was the logic? what was the process of thinking before making that vote? >> this is a complicated issue. yesterday was an emotional day. i don't want to impugn people's motives. >> mark, can i ask, how is this a complicated issue? >> i really want to know. you said it was a complicated issue. as you know, you can go back for six years, i don't impugn people's character for how they vote. i don't judge liberals. i don't judge very conservative people. i know people come from different parts of the country. i also talks about the need to compromise and come together. how is this a complicated vote? >> here's why -- >> it doesn't infringe on anybody's second amendment right and everybody knows that. >> this is why i think it's complicated. in my career i don't remember a situation like this where public opinion was so obviously in one direction and there was public focus on it. white house focus on it. and whatever is in the minds of the republicans and the democrats who voted against it, it makes this complicated and like i said, i don't remember an issue like this. >> i don't either. it is complicated because the answer is so simple. it's complicated trying to figure out why in the hell people would actually provide the opportunity for people to continue to purchase guns without a background check. that's simple if you are interested in keeping america safe instead of keeping your own political seat safe. >> this was supposed to be the minimum that they were going to get on gun control. this was 90% issue. 90/10 issue. talking about assault weapons ban limiting the size of magazine clips whittled down and now the coupresident doesn't ge that. the most powerful man in the world running this, backed by newtown families and gabby giffords and power and emotion put together, a lot of law enforcement, if you couldn't get over the finish line in the wake of the most horrific gun violence that any of us can remember, you wonder what the future of gun control is in this country. >>> coming up, pete williams has new details on the bombing in boston. >>> former attorney general john ashcroft with his unique perc t perspective on the investigation. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. oh, he's a fighter alright. since aflac is helping with his expenses while he can't work, he can focus on his recovery. he doesn't have to worry so much about his mortgage, groceries, or even gas bills. 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from surveillance cameras in the area. the beginning of this was a surveillance camera mounted on a department store across the street and down the block a bit from the second bomb attack. that's the picture you're seeing right now is that second scene. the bomb was placed out near the end of the sidewalk there. and in these pictures they see one young man who has a heavy backpack who sets it down just before the bomb goes off and then dashes away. he's also seen talking on a cell phone. they have two avenues of inquiry here. one is pictures themselves and they have clear pictures of his face and second is the fact he's talking on a cell phone. that allows them to look at cell phone records. they know precisely the time the bomb went off. they can check towers nearby and sort through hundreds of people on the phones at that time and there's another way they can try to get at it. they have pictures showing him talking to another young man so their goal right now is to identify these two people. they don't know who they are. they want to get their names. find out where they may be and talk to them and find out what was going on there. >> mike barnicle in boston. >> pete, i'm curious as to why the release of these pictures. why did the authorities release these pictures? was it to help us recognize them or what was the deal there? >> they haven't released them yet, mike. there have been some pictures out there that we've been unable to verify. a couple officials tried to wave us off of them. as to the question as to why they haven't formally arelearel pictures, they've been debating this since yesterday. agents in the boston area where you are say let's not do that yet. it will add another level of difficulty for us. let's see how we're doing in finding them on their own. i would guess before the next several hours are over, we probably will get a release of these pictures. it seems to be heading that way. i will say this, mike. they have been showing these pictures to law enforcement officials, airports, train stations, subway stations saying be on the lookout for these guys. >> all right. pete williams, thanks. mike, we now have joining us from springfield, missouri, former attorney general john ashcroft. sir, thanks very much for being on the show this morning from your perspective with your experience and your background on all of this, what are we looking for at this point and what concerns you that still remains a mystery? >> well, the first priority here has to be public safety and to guard against any future attacks or follow-on attacks. unfortunately all of us are aware that we're in a critical period of time right now. this week has been not only this week but historically a very difficult time including oak bomb and with the fertilizer explosion last night that we don't know all of the facts about and with the boston situation this is a time when i think we shouldn't rush to any conclusions about whether any events are related or they're not related. and public safety and prevention of additional events ought to be at the top of our understanding. obviously it should also inform the way we handle the investigation. it may be that information is not forthcoming from the law enforcement individuals with their feet on the street because to disclose information might tip-off individuals who are related to or who were involved with those who perpetrated the offenses. we just don't know that. so while we should be full speed ahead on the investigation, there ought to be an element of caution and that element of caution should be guided by the idea of preventing further attacks and public safety involved here. >> general ashcroft, mark here. how would you evaluate the job that officials have done in providing the public with information? >> i think they've done a great job. the problem i have is not with the individuals who have made public statements. i think they have handled this in exactly the right way. i don't have any advice to offer except to those who have leaked information. and what is stunning about what's happened so far is that some of the leaks appear to have been erroneous and when the news industry publishes some erroneous information which was said to have been leaked although it's labeled as a source and not a leaker when it happens, this really complicates things and one of the nuances is public trust is undermined and the public is a big part of dislocation and prevention of terrorists attacks. if the public gets to the place where it doesn't trust what it's hearing or the fact that what is announced can't be -- is not reliable, then that impairs our ability to ask the public and to reap the benefit of the public participating in helping solve these problems. so i believe that the people on the street who are doing the hard work are getting the job done as quickly as possible and dealing with mountains of evidence. the number of photographs and number of cell phones and number of individuals who in some way have something that they might be able to add here is pretty substantial. >> can you imagine, sam stein, how many cameras and cell phone videos and iphones and whatever else were rolling at the finish line of the boston marathon? it would take days and days and days just to organize it all let alone link it together. it's amazing what they're doing. >> that's actually sort of what i want to ask the attorney general about, which is, one, is there such a thing as too much information in which you have an overload of data coming in that becomes almost impossible to pore through all of that stuff and one of the issues that a lot of viewers are having of this crisis is why haven't we had more answers sooner. i'm wondering from your vantage point you've been involved with this stuff, what is timing like for you? are we expecting results too quickly? should we be more tempered with our expectations here? >> i think we should be -- i think our expectation should be there's a professional job done and that if it takes a long time we should be patient. it's very understandable that we all want to know immediately but when you have the kind of mountain of evidence that is coming in, you probably involve yourself in what i would call evidentiary triage. you take what is likely to be the most productive evidence first. you sort it. you go through all of it. you keep going through it until you find the things that not only tell you where to go and provide the leads but you also then look for krcorroborating evidence. it can take time. we ought to be -- you'll never know when something comes to break the case quickly. you'll remember in the ok bomb situation which is a couple decades ago practically, a person leaving the scene, the perpetrator, with a license plate that alerted the police that he was driving on an expired plate. i think that was one of the things that helped apprehend mr. mcveigh. so there are things that appear to be the product of very scientific and organized inspection. there are other things that sometime happen to help you solve things and they just happen. >> attorney general ashcroft, luke russert here in new york. a question for you. in the atlanta bombing eric robert rudolph it took ten years to apprehend him. after ten years it took time to get khalid shaikh mohammed. we live in this world where everything has to be fast. should the american people be expected to wait probably, possibly years before we find out who did this? can the american people wait that long in this era? >> well obviously i think in some respect television conditions us to expect immediate responses. we watch a mystery on tv and at the most an hour intwith ten commercials and everything is solved. people may be conditioned by what they see in fictional world but the real world has to be accepted for what it is. what's acceptable in the national defense system and preventing further tragedies perpetrated on the american public is 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>> now you put me on the spot. >> coburn voted no. >> obama actually wrote the profile of coburn in "time" 100 issue. >> that's interesting. he might want to take that one back. >> too late now. >> maybe influential makes sense. influential doesn't necessarily mean in a good way. >> exactly right. exactly right. in fact the word actually comes from a mid evil term for what people thought was emanating from the stars that influenced people on earth. part of the idea of "time" 100 list is pairings of one famous person writing about another. obama wrote about tom coburn. hillary clinton wrote about obama. it's interesting that way. >> that's nice. >> how do you do that? that's what i want to know. you call up hillary and say i want you to write a nice blurb. >> there's nothing fancy about it. we think of the list. who should be on it. we think who would be the most interesting person to write about that person? so the egyptian jon stewart is written by jon stewart. they want to do it. it's a happy thing in many cases because many of the people on the list are social entrepreneurs and people doing really good things and three women who have basically allowed newborns with aids to be cured. so they are getting a chance to write about people that are doing something that's valuable and important. >> tell us about the covers. >> so the covers. thank you, mark. there are actually seven different covers in all. if you turn. there's jay-z. this is so old fashioned. jennifer lawrence. elon musk. internationally a couple different ones. these covers will rotate. collect them all. >> they are like nesting dolls. >> they are like nesting dolls. >> you did this a couple years in a row where you had different covers. >> we had different internal covers for person of the year but the main one, president obama was always at the top. on the newsstands these rotate. at the same newsstand you could have jay-z next to jennifer lawrence. >> that's incredible. that should be the cover. >> all of the pictures are by a great photographer who went and shot her in birmingham, innieng. took a day off from school. first formal portrait since the shooting. she's not just a symbol of educating young women. she's a symbol of resilience. what happened to her is what happens to so many people, what's happened to people in boston and her ability to recover. her ability to have her spirits be up and be confident and optimistic is really inspiring. >> okay. and who else is notable on list? >> who else is notable on the list? elon musk i'm a big fan of. he's one of the founders of paypal. he now has this space-x and tesla. there's a lot of entrepreneurs on the list. founders of instagram. founders of kickstarter. there's a bias for people who are doing something new that change the way we live. joe joins us. jump in, joe. >> rand paul is on the list. why is that? >> rand paul and the item is written by sarah palin, joe. and she says that he's the new face of the republican party. i would argue that he's kind of reconciling the libertarian wing and conservative like no one has done before. he's the republican party it boy at the moment. next to you, joe. >> yeah. i think that this morning, rick, might not be the case. so it's hard for you -- you explained that this is like a club. it's got to be hard for you. you do 100 people every year. getting the process and getting 100 people, how difficult that for you to whittle down. >> joe, you're a member of the club. it's not that hard. actually we try to build it up with people doing something new. the women aids doctors. the activists in china and india. to me this is a platform for those folks who are doing great and important work around the world to get a little bit of notoriety in addition to people you would expect to be on the list. it is a list that ranges from poets to statesmen to economists to artists and philosophers and so we try to be-- >> can i break in. mika broke twitter. >> give me examples of someone on the list that's doing great work across the globe and getting on this list has made a difference whether in their civic organization or ministry or efforts to ease suffering across the globe. >> over the years we had a particular emphasis on people, veterans, who are involved in veterans movements and wounded warriors. those guys have been on the list. it always helps people who have these small groups that are trying to do good to be able to say we were on the "time" 100 list. there are many, many examples of that. >> mika? >> joe is on the list. yeah. all right. sorry. i'm just -- this is really insane what's happening here. rick, thank you so much. >> you're very welcome. >> please keep sending your opinions in. you may actually make twitter freeze just like it just happened. i think it will come back. incredible issue. i want that one. i know you have different cover ones. this is the one. the symbol of so many different things that are happening around the world. incredible little girl. rick, thank you very much. up next, we're going to explain why twitter just froze on us. we'll be right back. 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with xerox, you're ready for real business. >>> four months after the newtown tragedy claimed the lives of 20 children and 6 teachers, yesterday 46 senators helped vote down a simple bill on universal background checks choosing the easy political route. kelly o'donnell has more on president obama's reaction and what's next in the gun debate. >> reporter: surrounding the president in the rose garden, the first words about what comes next belonged to the father of a young boy taken in newtown. >> we will always be here because we have no other choice. we are not going away. >> reporter: gabby giffords says many senators chose powerful gun groups over their constituents. >> the gun lobby and its allies willfully lied about the bill. >> reporter: president obama said the bill did not harm gun rights. >> this legislation met that test. too many senators failed theirs. >> shame on you! >> reporter: more anger erupted when a woman shouted at senators "shame on you." most republicans and four democrats from states with high gun ownership voted against expanding background checks. >> criminals do not submit to background checks now. they will not submit to expanded background checks. >> the way to stop violent crime is to stop violent criminals. >> reporter: later today a bipartisan group of senators will roll out immigration reform. democrat senator joe manchin who fought hard to get enough votes on background checks found that with two politically hard votes, some senators chose immigration over guns. >> if you look at it and trying to evaluate, maybe immigration and maybe guns on top of that might be too much for me to go home and explain. >> on these issues, joe, you know what's going to happen. you always say it. you get landbla blasted for it. where do you think this is going? i see a massive, negative response to what's happened here. >> i'll say it here. it is self-indulgent. forgive me. in 2003 i started warning that george w. bush and republicans were spending too much money. in 2004 i wrote a book saying that the deficit and the debt would explode because we were being reckless. i got hammered by conservatives and talk radio hosts who claim to be conservative who said very little to nothing. it's happened time and time and time again. i made the same warnings throughout the campaign back in early september. i was saying that romney was in trouble. you really would have thought that i put on a red jacket and was reading chairman mouse sitting cross legged on my floor dropping acid. the response is always anger to what i say and then of course i end up being proven right. all of the criticisms i made of george w. bush about five years later other conservatives are finally making those criticisms. this is an easy call. this is an easy call. you want to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists. you've got somebody on the top ten terror list by the fbi saying that our background check system will allow terrorists to come and shoot american citizens. you have so many other examples of how this bill could have made a huge difference and yet the republican party almost all in mass and enough democrats were too cowardly to do the right thing and instead they bowed to a special interest group and 7% of the population. the 90% will not forget. this bill is going to pass and there will be people who voted to keep the guns out -- in the hands of criminals and they will lose their next election and there's nothing they can do. thank you. good night and good-bye. >> we should work on the next step and work on the mental health angle and instead we're back at square one and based at the reaction we're getting online right here, i don't know who the people in washington are pandering to. i really don't. >> they are pandering to the 7% and pandering to nra extremist wing. nra members i know want background checks. they like people who play by the rules. they like a safe america. those people are not the nra that did this yesterday. this is the extremist wing. survivalist wing of the nra and they're going to lose. they're 7% of the population. good luck with that 7%. ♪ [ male announcer ] were you more interesting in your twenties, or now? 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reid and joining us from washington is nbc news justice department correspondent pete williams. pete, i'd like to go to you first, given what the president just said coming out and saying it is an act of terror does not come as much of a surprise, given the contours of this. but still something worth remarking on in terms of how the white house is handling this event. >> perhaps so. but this is a case of you know, do as i say, not as i do. or perhaps actions speak louder than words, is what i meant. the very fact that it was announced last night that the fbi was taking the lead in this investigation answered the question. because the fbi has jurisdiction in a case like this only if it's considered an act of terrorism. we crossed that bridge last night. with the words were used or not. in terms of the investigation, let's just clear up a couple of points that were confusing overnight. just two devices, there was a suggestion there were others because so many packages had to be destroyed. there was mixed information about whether any of them campaigned explosives, they did not. sports
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williams. pete, after yesterday's confusion, yesterday and this morning even, it seems everyone is sort of on the same page now. what's the latest you've got for us? >> well, i think the fbi is having this news conference is they want to show some pictures. these are pictures of two men that they're most eager to identify, find, and interview based on their review of all the mountain of pictures they've received. it's really quite extraordinary when you think about it that the fbi made this request for pictures. they were inundated with an amount of data equivalent to 25,000 hours of youtube video. what they got was higher resolution, so it's not that many hours but that gives you the idea of the sheer tonnage of vehicle and they managed to look at great deal of that and hone in on two people whose movements and behavior have raised some questions that they would like to answer. they want to try to find these people. so far they've not been able. they can clearly see their faces, but they don't know their names. they don't know who they are. they want to try to find out who they ar
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the folks brought to your doorstep. >>> to our justice correspondent we go once again. pete williams in our washington bureau. pete, it probably bears repeating at this point while people may be seeing other aspects of security at their local airport train station, no reason to think this is anything beyond the boylston street bombings that we saw in boston. >> reporter: that's right. according to the officials i have talked to tonight, brian. of course they are still trying to figure out precisely what it was that happened in boston. we know that there were two bombs, but they are still saying there might have been others planted along the route of the marathon. packages found on the street were deemed suspicious and were being destroyed tonight. we still have not heard any firm confirmation of whether at least the five other packages actually were explosive devices, although some officials say there is reason to think they were. there is no suspect in custody. but people are very interested in questioning a young person with a student visa who has burns and was seen by witnesses runni
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justice correspondent pete williams from washington and nbc's kristen welker at the white house. pete, i'm going to start with you. what are we expecting to hear at this fbi briefing within the next hour? >> we're going to hear, i believe, why they're interested in these two particular people. what it is they've done. what they can be seen doing that attracts their attention and raises their interest and why they want to find and talk to them. they know what they look like. they know what they were doing. the fbi has always thought that the bombs were carried to the scene in black nylon duffel bags or backpacks. they an see on these pictures the men, these two men carrying heavy backpack and duffel bag. they believe the bombs were relatively heavy, probably around 20 pounds. they were in the vicinity of where the bombs were found. so, where they were set off. so they want to find them. they don't know who they are, and they're going to ask for public assistance, we believe, in identifying the men. and you may remember that they asked for both photos and video. so it's certainly possible th
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>> how could they vote against background checks. the six republicans who supported background checks and now changed their mind was it that the changed president and so committed to giving him a defeat you would sacrifice the safety of your constituents? thank you for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. >> hot pursuit. this is "hardball." >> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. there have been potentially significant developments in the boston terror investigation today amid a lot of conflicting media reports. hoar here's what we know at this time. investigators have obtained video, believe it or not, of a person placing a black bag down at the scene of the second blast and then walking away. the footage came from a surveillance photo at a nearby lord & taylor video. this afternoon, the fbi denied reports from other media outlets that an arrest had been made in the case. well, meanwhile, investigators continued to collect forensic evidence from the attack site as they learn more about the bomb that was used. well, nbc news reported that the bomb's triggering mechanism was fairly sophisticated. it included a battery pack and circuit board, both of which were recovered at the scene. there's no indication at this time of any connection to overseas groups. meanwhile, a devastated defeat in washington for gun safety advocates this afternoon. the u.s. senate has voted down the compromised deal on extended background checks put forth by joe manchin and pat toomey. the vote was 54 for, 46 against. it takes 60 votes to get a bill passed. president obama was joined afterwards by gabby giffords and families of newtown victims and delivered one passionate reaction to today's vote which roughly 40% of the american people believe in something, the senate failed to respond. >> all in all, this was a pretty shameful day for washington. but this effort is not over. >> 90% of the american people support extended background checks and they couldn't get it passed in the representative u.s. senate. >>> let's again with the latest on the investigation up in boston into those bombings. nbc analyst michael leiter was director of the national counterterrorism center and clint van zandt is a profiler. all of this is a key related, battery pack, circuit board, news about the pressure cooker. a piece of it discovered. so much physical evidence and then the picture taken by the video surveillance camera at lord & ta are lo, we've confirmed, it's a picture of someone putting down a black bag, some sort of shopping bag, and then walking away from the bomb site. >> well, it's been a very good day, chris, and it's interesting as we started this before the information came out, the refrain we're hearing is why do we know so little at this point and the fact is, as we've said over and over, it takes time. now, what you just described is two legs or three-legged stool. you've got the forensic evidence from the blast site. that's helping them understand the bomb and how it was made. potentially you can trace things there. the secon leg of that stool is the photographic evidence and videotape which is just invaluable and then the third leg of that stool, which thankfully is not being reported on and we don't know about is the other sensitive information that they are collecting from human sources, from cell phones and the like. those three legs of the stool are what are supporting this investigation as it goes forward. now, the unfortunate media reporting about an arrest that didn't happen today doesn't make their work easier. the fbi has very legitimately begged media and others to just take a deep breath and don't report on some of this until we're getting good word. >> clint, we've been working on here at "hardball" and other programs at msnbc and elsewhere is to look at the physical evidence. and let's start with that first leg of the stool, which michael referred to. this kind of thing that we're looking at here. it being looks like a very badly damaged pressure cooker discovered on the roof. this battery pack, what does that tell you in terms of whether a person placed it there and had time, perhaps a time bomb as we called them. and also the circuit board. what does it all tell you in terms of the way in which someone has careful instructions on how it's built. it can be a very tenacious type of thing. i think the investigators are way ahead. realize, as you've just pointed out, chris, when a bomb goes off, it doesn't just go into cyberspace or disappear into outerspace. these other agencies are available to put this back together. for example, this is a six liter and remote control toys. each of these is a separate and authorities can say who bought this, who bought that, who bought this? and we can pull all of these together. if we can show one person bought, for example, a battery for a model car and that same person's picture appears anywhere in that crowd, that's a good investigative lead that should help the authorities notwithstanding this media fr frenzy that took place today that can do nothing but hurt an investigation. >> the six liters, that's more than a gallon, and it's filled with bbs and nails and the explosive device and explosive material, how much would that weigh in a pressure cooker? >> about 20 pounds. about 20 pounds. you take that pressure cooker. you fill it with black powder, bbs, nails, other types of paraphernalia. you put the detonator and batteries and everything else. you have plus or minus a 20-pound device. we're told at least one of these was a pressure cooker. the other has been described off and on as another pressure cooker or a metal type container. but as you pointed out in your show yesterday, somebody had to carry these 20-pound devices in a bag. this is not a pair of running shoes and a t-shirt. this is a 20-pound bomb that should be apparent seeing somebody lug this down the street. >> well, let me ask you about the material at hand here. if it's a battery pack, does that tell you about the detonating, was it done by a remote control like a model airplane that you can fly around with with a remote control? was it controlled by a garage opener? >> one thing i would say the authorities know, they've recovered and they've recovered the batteries and the wire and it's going to be very obvious the circuitry that was put together and whether that was operated by a cell phone or as you say a garage door opener. of course, a garage door opener is a line of sight. you have to be near that explosive to set it off. a cell phone you could be halfway across the world. so that would be an early part of the investigation. there's a lot of investigation that you simply don't share with the public. you hold that back to use to make sure you've got the right person when you arrest them. >>. >> jonathan, we've got the materials at hand which has been discovered, the pressure cooker, battery pack and circuit board and i didn't mention a piece of black nylon that was part of the bag. >> the best estimate that we have gotten is if they can track this to where they were sold and who purchased them, that's going to lead us to the suspect. we've seen this in previous investigations in the 1993 world trade center bombing. and as a result they caught the suspects m sa suspects. same theory here. that's part of the investigation and pouring all over the videotapes for leads and that one piece of videotape of a suspect putting down a bag outside the lord & taylor or caught on the lord & taylor surveillance tape is another. again, as pete williams and myself have been reporting all day, there is no suspect. there is no arrest. there is no specific name. now, we've been told that there have been several names out there that obviously they would want to run them down but we've been told that it's ruled out. the investigation is ongoing, moving forward. the piece of tape is one of many critical pieces that they are using to try to track suspects but right now no arrests. >> tell me how that's done. you're being looking at a piece of video, you enlarge it, try to improve its fidelity, its picture? what do you do? you look at the wanted posters? how do you identify -- do you look through mug shots? how do you find that person? >> the technology has improved tremendously in terms of facial recognition technology and they are using that matching images on video at the scene to any faces that might be in databases and running that to see if there's any sort of match. another way is, okay, here's an image that we've got. let's go back to others who we know that were at the scene and who were at businesses nearby and show a picture. that would be routine police work that is done. that's many, many aspects and i'm sure there are others that they are not going to talk to us about as they attempt to track down who planted these devices. >> help me here because all the time we're talking about union station or 30th street station in philly or anywhere, there's a big stein and an announcement. why don't they let the people see the person and say, i know this i goo, i know this woman? i assume it's a guy. >> that's part of the debate that's been going on all day today as you look at the mess that went on this afternoon with some of the bad reporting and again i think earlier in the day i think they thought they had a name or a possible i.d., possible and that they have been running that down and i believe they are trying to figure out who is on this tape. >> what do you mean, it didn't match up with a fugitive or a person with a record. how do they know that it didn't match up with anybody? >> they are still working that. they will know whether that is going to help them or not. it could spook the suspect or some of the co-con spor fors if there are any and tip them off and say they know who they are looking for and perhaps flee. >> jonathan, whoever this group is watching now on msnbc, they know there's a picture of this person. they are already as far away as they can get, right? >> you would think so. if you look at the manhunt that was on and images being released in new york and able to catch him over several days. so a bit of a grain of salt with this. they sit there and assess how good the quality of that photo is. they are going to have a news conference later tonight and perhaps explain why and how they are handling these images and when they might be putting some out. >> let me go to michael leiter. there have been reports that have been shot down, some perhaps verified to some extent later on in the week. it may turn out that some of this smoke will lead to fire. we've been hearing about a guy with a baseball cap, hood on top of it, pretty much definitive information. are these stories possibly fleetingly true but they don't add up to anything? how do these stories get out there? do you think there's something there? >> i think, chris, this is a long game of telephone. you know, there are a lot of people involved in this investigation, at the fbi, boston police department, various parts of the u.s. government. but when a lot of people get calls from reporters, even if they are not actually involved, they start talking about what they have heard and then the reporters report something that they have earned and inevitably you get a lot of inconsistencies there. people on the inside are trying to make sure that folks on the outside know that they know something and people on the outside are trying to get a story out and what everybody has to realize is how disruptive this can be to the investigation. we have to remember, we've got a person or people out there who just set off a bomb and killed three people. this is a very dangerous individual or individuals. and the fbi and the police have to do this extremely carefully, so they don't spook the individual, they don't spook the group. so they don't drive this person to more violence, not to mention so they can actually collect evidence so when we ultimately arrest this person, they can be prosecuted. this is a multiple variable equation that the fbi and others have to work through. >> cliff, your thoughts of what they may be doing with this video right now. i'm sure everybody is like me, we're used to crime stoppers, television, perry mason or whatever, we're used to sherlock holmes and when we find out there's a video of a person that looks like they are putting a bag there after last night focusing on the other video here that showed a bag placed between the storm fence and the gutter there and then seeing the pictures afterwards with the fumes coming out of that bag area and then to find out today there's an actual picture from across that same street from lord & taylor's pointing to a person putting a bag there, you've got to see how we're all looking at this, you know? we're wondering, why isn't this galloping towards a conclusion given this information? >> i think it's galloping. i think there's been a lot of information develop. realize, there are 60 different investigative agencies involved in this, possibly somewhere within that came this information today that was erroneous. but the bottom line is, the fbi, the other agencies, if they have not already identified the person or persons of interest, are working very hard to. but there's no need to put that photograph out right now if the investigators can do it. chris, once that photograph is out, it goes viral. remember, the sandy hook shooting at the school when they put out the picture of the shooter's brother and all of a sudden everybody thought he was the shooter. richard jewel at the atlanta park -- olympic park bombing. so the investigators, the if. fbi is going to be very careful and the last thing you want to do is break public trust and put out a picture that had nothing to do with it or like a picture earlier today, they showed a man running from the scene. everybody said, he's the guy. he's the guy. it's just one more victim trying to get away from the explosion. >> well, now we have something hard on the ricin case. just learned this now, pete williams is reporting that two federal officials say a suspect has been arrested in the case of those letters that initially tested positive for ricin. officials identify the subject as kenneth curtis of mississippi and may appear in court later tonight. two letters were intercepted, one to president obama and one to roger wicker. let me go back to you on this, clint. what do you make of this case? there's something about these bombings where they seem to lead to -- it just seems to -- like snakes travel in pairs, we get the ricin case and cases like these. >> he signed the letters, this is kc and i approve this message. that doesn't take a whole lot of heavy lifting to match up this guy whose name you just said in the initial kc. i think it's logical to find out that it's probably not ricin. it's probably another false positive. in this abundance of caution especially because of boston, you have to take these things serious. was there any connection between the two, likely not. >> i think somebody stirs up the nuts in cases like this because we had anthrax last time that got to talk brokaw and the former leader -- i forget his name. >> tom daschle. >> thank you, michael leiter and thank you clint and jonathan. >>> coming up, we're going to talk to deval patrick. we'll be right back. i don't make any decisions about who to hire without going to angie's list first. you'll find reviews on home repair to healthcare written by people just like you. with angie's list, i know who to call, and i know the results will be fantastic. angie's list -- reviews you can trust. >>> a graduate student from china studying mat and statistics, was with two friends at the finish line when the bomb went off. there's a picture of her there. one of those friends was injured in the blast. the third was unharmed. we'll be right back. >>> welcome back to "hardball." i'm joined by governor of massachusetts, deval patrick. governor, how do you see the investigation going this evening now that it's two days after? >> well, chris, it's a large, methodical, careful and professional investigation. we've got every imaginable law enforcement agency at the federal, state, and local level. they are working very, very well together under the leadership of the fbi. it is going to take time. it's a several block crime scene and it's being combed sort of a quarter inch by quarter inch. it's going to be a slow investigation but i think as every hour and day passes, they make progress. >> what do you think is the attitude? you would know it as well as anyone up there, the attitude of the boston people and the massachusetts people about this? do they just feel that they are victims, something bad happened? or is there a sense of anger, if you will, that somebody would do this or a group of would do this? >> well, i think it's a mixture of all of that and more. i think certainly people are shocked, shaken in many, many cases shattered that something like this could happen at a civic ritual like the marathon of which we are so proud and on patriots day, there's frustration that the perpetrators haven't been found but i think people should take the kind of comfort i do from the fact that such a thorough investigation is under way and folks are so purposeful about it and collaborating and cooperating so well. >> you know, one thing i've noticed about people, the younger generation of this court, it's much of more of a get out in the street, get out because maybe public safety is et abouter, even in cities where it's cold sometimes, places like boston, people like to get out of the house. that's not going to change, is it? >> you know what? we waited a long, long time for a day like this today. it's in the 60s, it's sunny. on my way over here from the statehouse, there were people at outdoor cafes. we are not going to go immediately back to the way we were before this happened. as i said, it has a natural and predictable impact on people's way of thinking about their lives here in the city and in the commonwealth but we are a very resilient people and a very determined people and we are not -- i think we also understand that if we are -- if we have our sense of security permanently defeated, that whoever did this will have won. we don't intend to let them win. >> let's talk about the cathedral of the holy cross when you have the president and first lady coming. tell me about what role that is going to play in your city's healing. >> well, chris, that's about helping us all heal. in the conversations i've had all day today, when i've been going to hospitals and talking to medical professionals and talking to families and some of their victims, everyone is looking for a way to acknowledge the grace and kindness that people have experienced and that helps us heal from this and so having an interfaith service is very much to that effect and we're delighted that the president is going to come and bring us some words of comfort. >> well, i think it's great. are you surprised by anything that's happened since this event, in watching the investigation, what has impressed you that we may not have seen on tv? >> you know, i mentioned grace and kindness. there have been so many acts of this that i hear about that don't usually make the news. you know, you saw immediately afterwards the numbers of volunteers who were not necessarily trained medical professionals who ran toward the bomb sites rather than away from it. >> yes. >> who were helping people in need. i've heard from families along the race route who, once the race was stopped, went out and brought in runners, gave them a place and a time to recover, helped them deal with the enormity of what was happening and find their families. there have been so many acts of -- small acts of kindness and i think it reflects so well on our community and those stories need to be told, too, because they also help us heal. >> the wonderful case of the person who put the tourniquet on the person who lost their lives. thank you for joining us tonight. and we'll be right back. the last four hours... have seen one child fail... to get to the air sickness bag in time. another left his shoes on the plane. his shoes. and a third just simply doesn't want to be here. until now. until right... booking now. planet earth's #1 accommodation site. booking.com booking.yeah prego?! but i've been buying ragu for years. 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"united we stand" with logos from both teams. between the third and fourth innings, the yankee fans did what was unthinkable, they sang along to the fenway favorite "sweet caroline." ♪ sweet caroline, good teams never seemed so good ♪ ♪ i've been inclined ♪ to believe there never -- >> that's key to being at the game. anyway, the song was also played at wrigley field, among other ballparks. the milwaukee brewers went a different direction playing the theme song from "cheers," the great sitcom set in a neighborhood bar in boston. part of home was in the dugout. this jersey, look at it there, 617. that's boston's area code and the word "strong." well done. over to late night, stephen colbe colbert -- >> the people who did this obviously did not know the [ bleep ] of boston. they were founded by the pilgrims, of people so tough, they had to buckle their [ bleep ] hats on. a city that made it through the big dig, a construction project that backed up traffic for 16 years. i mean, there are commuters just getting home now. >> new yorkers and boston obviously have a bit of a competition. oftentimes the two cities accusing each other of various levels of suckatude but it is clearly a sibling rivalry and we are your brothers and sisters in this type of event. >> boston native dennis, author of several well-known novels including the boston centric gone baby gone summed it up like this. "two different friends texted me the identical message yesterday. they messed with the wrong city. this wasn't a macho sentiment. the point wasn't how we were going to mass in the coffee shops of the south end to figure out how to retaliate. what a bostonian means when he or she says they messed # with the brong city is you don't think." >> the gun safety advocates lost a big one. the compromised deal, which was a good one, extending background checks go down in defeat. we're going to hear from a very passionate president obama in a few minutes. this is "hardball," the place for politics. all stations come over to mission a for a final go. this is for real this time. step seven point two one two. verify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standing by for capture. the most innovative software on the planet... dragon is captured. is connecting today's leading companies to places beyond it. siemens. answers. i love to golf. ♪ [ grunts ] yowza! that's why i eat belvita at breakfast. it's made with delicious ingredients and carefully baked to release steady energy that lasts... we are golfing now, buddy! [ grunts ] ...all morning long. i got it! for the win! uno mas! getting closer! belvita breakfast biscuits -- steady energy to do what i do all morning long. >>> welcome back to "hardball." gun safety advocates, people trying to keep guns out of the equally disturbed which you would think would be everyone would have been considered an unimaginable defeat. the u.s. senate has voted down. senator joe manchin and pat toomey put together a bipartisan bill. they hoped it could get past the senate and it didn't. not today. 54 of the 60 votes needed for passage. the message was clear. a minority of senators, mostly republicans, were more afraid and still are of the nra than they are of the roughly 90% of the american who is support background checks. a short time after the vote, the president stood in the rose garden with newtown families surrounding him and fought back against the bill's opponents. >> but instead of supporting this compromise, the gun lobby and its allies willfully lied about the bill. they claimed that it would create some sort of big brother gun registry. even though the bill did the opposite. >> casey uncovers capitol hill on abc news and robert fine man, an msnbc political analyst. kasie, you've been helping me understand which way this is going. it went against the unsafety people. after manchin/toomey went down, assault weapons went down even more so. another vote on gun clips. what did that tell you about a potential future mood on gun safety, the fact that all three went down today? >> reporter: look, this was expected on the assault weapons and the clips but what i find interesting is the vote on the clips. it got six more votes in the senate than the assault weapons ban did and if you look at the folks different on those, it's folks from out west, democrats in colorado and new mexico. colorado, of course, passed a limit on high-capacity magazines. they've seen a lot of gun violence, aurora happened there. i've been talking to some senators up here, democrats who have said that it's this issue that might really come back to bite some of their colleagues over the years. they say that this clips argument like what happened in newtown where the parents are here saying, listen, if this guy had had to reloud more often than he did, more of our children would have been saved, that's an argument that might resonate with americans going forward than the assault weapons ban. >> yeah. i think howard, just intuitively, i'm not a hunter. i've shotguns. >> i think it's easier to get confused about the definition of what is an assault rifle and what isn't. >> yeah. >> but a magazine clip is something that a civilian can understand, so to speak. >> right. >> so i think kasie might be right. the fact that all three of these went down the way did, they won the battles today. it's clear they won battles today and the president is going to moiblize and the newtown families are going to have to mobilize for the long haul, for the 2014 election, they are going to have to get in the ball game the way the nra is. this is the way politics is played today, like it or not. that's what they are going to have to do. it's going to get the president in the midterm election and based on the righteous indignation he showed today. >> the high-water mark for anger about guns and multiround clips and semiautomatics exploited by this crazy person up in newtown should have been the great opportunity to stop the gun crowd and it didn't work. >> i think you're right. and harry reid, even though he volt voted for the assault weapons ban today, he signaled at the very start that it would not fly. >> here's a statement from the nra following the vote on toomey/manchin. it reads in part "this amendment would have criminalized concern private transfers of firearms between honest citizens, requiring lifelong friends, neighbors and some family members to get permission or exercise a fundamental right or face prosecution, as we have noted previously expanding background checks at gun shows or elsewhere. there's due police tea, obviously. kasie, it seems to me, there's two parts to that. both due police tea. one, this bill carefully written by toomey did exclude when you sell it to a friend, that's excluded from a background check. if your buddy across the street wants your gun, give it to your brother-in-law, none of that has to be checked. why do they lie? and let's stick with that one. why did they lie? >> reporter: that's how the president characterized it, of course. there are some sections of this bill where gun advocates say it raises a sector of some problems for transactions for folks. senator joe manchin didn't want to go as far as to call it a lie in an interview he did with me shortly after the vote. but he did say that, listen, if these folks had read my bill, it doesn't do any of the things that they are claiming that it does. so he -- >> it's like the death panels all over again. poison a bill by saying things that are untrue, the big lie again. howard -- >> the big lie was the -- the death panel thing was especially the gun registry. >> gun registry. yeah. and the second part of this says it won't work. please listen to this, it's calling loving something to death. in other words, you don't like a bill but then you say, what i really have a problem with this, it won't go far enough. this lie. it's another -- well, whatever you want to call it -- lie is a strong word. they are clearly saying this won't eliminate all gun violence in america so why bother? >> the president had a good answer. if it can save one life, it could save 100, 1,000 it would be worth doing because it was tailored to achieve a purpose without affecting -- >> why have guardrails on bridges? why have a guardrail? a lot of people don't want to jump off the bridge. the president took on the rand pauls of this world. what a disgusting thing he said to the rush limbaughs. i don't normally have a problem with this guy. he referred to the newtown families lobbying on the hill this way. let's listen. >> i've heard folks say -- >> when i see a father and mothers and them testifying and i know they are coming voluntarily and they want to come and be part of this debate, it still saddens me to see them and i think that in some cases the president has used them as props and that disappoints me. >> here's the president responding to that props line. >> i've heard folks say that having the families of victims lobby for this legislation was somehow misplaced, a problem, somebody called them. emotional blackmail. are they serious? do we really think that thousands of families whose lives have been shattered by gun violence don't have a right to weigh in on this issue? do we think their emotions, their loss is not relevant to this debate? >> kasie, describe if you can what it's like to go around the quarters of capitol hill, the senators, especially, and see these people with the green ribbons. i thought they were very much right to be doing that and they were on their own. they were not brought in by the democratic national committee or anybody. it seems to be odd for a u.s. senator saying we don't like people visiting us on capitol hill who have a particular concern about something. what a strange thing to say for a representative of the people. >> reporter: these folks haven't been saying too much as they have made the rounds here on capitol hill but, you know, quietly when you talk to them in an aside as they've been moving from office to office, they say really this is their initiative. they have representatives with them. they are working with a pr firm, but it's coming from them and they have been extraordinarily powerful spokespeople for themselves. i was in the room when they were talking with manchin last week before the vote and it was them carrying the message. it was the families who introduced him tonight in the rose garden, it was a family member who gave the address on saturday. so the idea that they are not speaking for themselves in this argument is, i think -- has not been the experience for folks up on capitol hill. >> so rand paul spent his day having interviews in people with the i am rand society and heritage foundation and conservative groups and i thinks it's really disturbing for these people to come up to the hill that have lost their kids. >> how dare they be in the galley. how dare they be in the halls of congress. the members find it extremely annoying that there are ebb manies of public around. they would just prefer to have the halls of the capitol -- but to organize in show that it's not the people from newtown. >> you used to be able to go to capitol hill, now you have to go through the tourist entrance. we're not citizens anymore. we're tourists and we can be moved through like a crowd through disneyland. it's rotten. it used to be a democratic country in that way. kasie, thank you with the numbers. i hope we have more positive results in the future. thank you, howard, as always. we'll be right back. everybody has different investment objectives, ideas, goals, appetite for risk. you can't say 'one size fits all'. it doesn't. that's crazy. we're all totally different. ishares core. etf building blocks for your personalized portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus, which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal. 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"all in with chris hayes" starts right now. ♪ >>> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. thank you for joining us on what is probably simultaneously the most active and the most confusing news day of the year. if you had cable news on tv today, like we did here at 30 rock, or if you were watching your twitter feed or checking in on the internet at all, you saw a lot of r
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tsarnaev. nbc's pete williams reports he was run over by the car driven by his brother. and when police approached his body, they discovered an ied strapped to his chest. he was transported to the hospital where he was pronounced dead. let's bring in nbc national investigative correspondent, michael isikoff. let's talk about what we foe in the scene right now. the police have said they have new leads within the last few minutes that they are exploring and that they want everyone to stay inside. >> exactly. a pretty good sign that this situation is still very fluid, still very tense. and we don't know where it's going or how long the manhunt is going to be taking place. i should point out, andrea, that i am right behind what is the principal staging area for the police and the military here. all morning long we had convoys of military humvees coming in, buses of police, motorcycles, of state police, blackhawk helicopters have been flying in and over this area. landing just behind me on the other side. at one point i thought it looked to me like there they were planning for some sort of a
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there is any link to that. in addition to that, this is per pete williams of nbc news. he now reports that the boston marathon bomber manhunt is now down to one person, the younger brother. initially, earlier today, there was some speculation that perhaps there was a third suspect. that is now being downplayed. and pete williams reports that the manhunt down to one person. in addition to that, the police officials are now telling pete williams that during the early morning watertown gun battle between police and the two brothers, about 200 rounds were exchanged. they have found seven ieds, improvised devices, that have been removed, in searches so far in watertown and also some from the house in cambridge. in addition to that, we have obtained these pictures from the owner of a shell station, which we're going to show you right now, and i want to explain the fact that, obviously, the younger brother is in the forefront, leaving the shell station there, but we've blacked out or blurred out the face of the second individual, because we don't know that the time stamp on this picture is c
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? >> pete williams is reporting that they have made this arrest of suspect.story? >> pete williams is reporting that they have made this arrest of suspect. they may have him in court later. we believe he's from tupelo, mississippi. we're not sure on his name. but pete williams reporting that story and of course cnbc will have all the details for you on that 8:00 p.m. news conference as well as this late breaking development in the ricin letters. >> thanks very much. now, president obama's gun control agenda was dealt devastating blow today. 54 senators including five democrats voted to defeat a proposal to expand background checks. >> a main setback for those in favor of heightening the rules. expanding gun background checks failed to win over the senate. it was a plan put together by senator joe manchin and pat toomey. it needed 60 votes to move ahead and it got only 54. president obama briefed the press shortly after the vote. he repeated the importance of gun control and expressed his own frustration. he even said the gun lobby willfully lied about the bill. >> instead of supportin
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